You can use the SW44 but it will need 2 lines from EACH LNBF to the Inputs, then 2 lines to the 9200. You would then need 2 more lines to the second 9200 when you are ready.

This is the correct cabling for an SW44, although it shows a Dual and 2 Single tuners, it can just as well be two dual tuners.

http://www.digitalhome.ca/information/satellite/sw44.jpg


Alternate would be to buy a DPP Twin LNBF, run 1 line to each receiver/location, then use a DPP Seperator at each location to feed the Dual Tuners.


Here it the same thing for a DPP Twin LNBF;

http://www.digitalhome.ca/information/satellite/dpptwin_2dual-receivers.jpg

Does 81 go to 1a and b , then 91 go to 2 a and b

No, I try to be consistant when I hook up switches, 91 to 1 a, b, and 82 to 2 a, b, but it doesn't matter as long as you do a check switch each time a receiver is connected. When you are not using the recommended way, it does makes it harder to troubleshoot when a problem arises.

wow, this forum is full of info, but for the life of me i cannot find the info im after,....i cannot for the life of me figure out how to set up my sat. i had a old trusty 5900 and 1 sw21 switch problem free for years! now i have a 9242, and a sw44,...and headaches.

1. I have no real world diagram for a 1 wire install,...can this be done? i have only one tv, and just want all the HD and welfare channels to work.

2. My signal bounces from 94 to 0 on sat 82...and to get it to lock i have to go to the menu and select either sat1, or sat 2 to find the signal 1/2 the time!

3. every secfond time it seems i get the " if you save you'll lose channels ".. and i dont wanna do that, because i dont know what the repecussions will be.

4. when im on 82,...only half the channels will work smoothly???the rest are like lego when i was a kid.

frustrated as all hell with this thing......but now it has my undivided attention. pls tell me how the wires should be run,...and to wich ports,...

this thing ran fine till the snow moved the dish and i broke the old sw switch,...now with this 44,..it just is not my friend,....grrrr. I will be working on this confounded thing, and will answer all q's ya need,...i have been fighting so long now, i cannot put it all on here,....

Power invertor #1 on sw44 switch to 9242 receiver
#2 on sw44 switch to 9242 receiver
# 3 and 4 to other receivers

1B on sw44 switch to LNB sat 91
1A on sw44 switch to LNB sat 91
2B on sw44 switch to LNB sat 82
2A on sw44 switch to LNB sat 82

Thanks for all the valuable info here.
All I want is a single connection to a 9242 PVR
however, I still can’t get any signal strength at all and no switch is detected at all.

I changed from a working typical SW44 set up on a single dish with 2 LMB.
Now I replaced the LMB with a DPP Twin LMB and a DPP Separator at the PVR.
Just like on page 1 of this thread (option 1).
I removed the sw44 completely
I tried output 1 and 2 from the dpp LMB , no luck on either.

1 First and foremost, does the satellite dish need to be reoriented when changing the dp to a dpp?
I was as careful as possible when I changed it not to shift it and did not.

2 If the satellite dish is badly oriented wouldn’t it at least pick up the (test switch) and give 0% on 91 and 89?

3 Right where the single line enters the house there is a barrel connector (cable joiner), does it need to be grounded, it’s authentic as it came from the SW44 setup and is blue at the tips.

4 If a bell technician installed the wire about 5 years ago in the house, could there be a chance he didn’t install RG6 inside the house?


Thanks for the help.

So let me see if I got this correct;

You had a fully functioning system with an SW44.?
All you did was swap the 2 x Legacy LNBF's for a DPP Twin LNBF & remove the SW44?
You used 1 line from the Dish to the Receiver and added a Seperator.?

If they are all answered yes, there should be no issues.

I would check that you have the correct cable connected at the 9242, it is possible you have the wrong one.

Make sure you removed the Power Inserter.

1. The Dish is fine, if it worked before, it should not need re-aiming.
2. If you moved the Dish, is is possible you can now get NO signal.
3. Barrel Connectors (F81's) are not normally grounded, if it worked before it should work now.
4. If it worked before it should work now.

EDIT; Run a "Check Switch" with no inputs at the receiver, when it fails, connect the lines and run it again.

Thanks for your info Pinza.
As I’m here at work I can’t test anything right now.
but something dawned on me…
When I went up to the dish, I had the PVR receiver purposely already hooked to the line.
Thinking that the correct wire will show power (from PVR) with a mutimeter.
However it was probably catching the connector that previously had the SW44 plug to the outlet
…duh.

Hopefully that’s it.
I’ll keep my wires crossed… fingers crossed.

Pretty sure it must be something simple as it was all working before. Good Luck.

Great forum, I've learned alot, but I have a couple of questions:

I have BEV with a 9241, an older 5800 and a 3100 which will be replaced with a 6131. I have what I assume would be considered a "legacy" system with 2 x LNBF's and a SW44 and a power inserter, all installed by Bell. I currently only have 3 lines into the house from the SW44 . Due to the way the cabling is run, I only have 1 RG6 line into the basement (which is completely finished, so it wouldn't be easy to add another line).

I read the responses to the post by Chicki123, who seems to have the same set-up. You said:
"The easiest way to feed ALL your receivers with your existing cables and adding no more, would be to swap out the LNBF's for a DPP Twin LNBF, then run 2 lines from it to a DPP33 or DPP44 Multiswitch, from here, connect the 3 cables you have and at the 9241 location, add a DPP Separator, to feed both Tuners."

From this, my questions are:
1. I'm assuming there is absolutely no way to add any kind of splitter or switch down-line of the SW44 to allow me to run 2 single tuner receivers from a single RG6 line, is that correct?
2. If I replace what I have with the DPP equipment you suggested, could I then add any kind of splitter or switch down-line of the DPP44 to allow me to run 2 single tuner receivers from a single RG6 line?
3. Is the 9241 with Canadian BEV service a "software upgraded dual tuner receiver" or is it legacy equipment (according the dpptwin.pdf that I got from dishretailer.com) i.e. am I going to have any software issues with Bell?

From this, my questions are:
1. I'm assuming there is absolutely no way to add any kind of splitter or switch down-line of the SW44 to allow me to run 2 single tuner receivers from a single RG6 line, is that correct?

Yes that is correct.


2. If I replace what I have with the DPP equipment you suggested, could I then add any kind of splitter or switch down-line of the DPP44 to allow me to run 2 single tuner receivers from a single RG6 line?

No, a DPP Separator can ONLY feed a Dual Tuner Receiver, no Splitter will work.


3. Is the 9241 with Canadian BEV service a "software upgraded dual tuner receiver" or is it legacy equipment (according the dpptwin.pdf that I got from dishretailer.com) i.e. am I going to have any software issues with Bell?

No more issues than every other Bell TV Customer with a 9241. The receiver was designed for DPP, so in my opinion it apperas to function better with DPP than Legacy.

Thanks for the response. I guess I'll try and get things switched over to DPP before winter is here again!

One thing that still puzzles me though - if you can use a DPP separator to feed a dual tuner receiver (which would normally be getting signal from 2 separate lines), why can't a DPP separator feed 2 single tuner receivers?

I have to reinstall a dish at in-laws. I went to dishpointer.com and chose "82W and 91W" from the drop down menu. The elevation and pan angles seemed fine to me, but the skew was something like 72 degrees. I checked my own dish, which was professionally installed and gets very strong signal, and the skew is closer to 90 degrees. I also checked dishpointer.com skew settings for GTA for comparison and they are something like 53 degrees, yet I always thought the further east you went, the more "neutral" the skew setting.

Did you use the multi-lnb? There is a glitch, I used Toronto which gave Toronto City Hall, and got,....
Latitude: 43.6535°Longitude: -79.3839° Name: 82W & 91W Distance: 37849km Elevation: 39.2° Azimuth (true): 190.3° Azimuth (magn.): 200.9° Dish Skew [?]: 95.7°

Yup. All around the GTA is about 96 degrees skew. It doesn't change but a degree or two for most of Southern Ontario.

True that: the range is from 95.4 in Burlington to 96.2 in Bowmanville... almost the eastern limit of the GTA... but not quite. ;)

Hi all...this is my first post so go easy please. :)

I have been a Bell customer for many years. I have a move order placed with Bell at a newly built home. The new house has 1 line per drop all feeding to the phone/cable D-Mark point on an outside wall and has 4 RG6 cables ready for the LNB in the attic to an inside wall beside the D-Mark point. No additional lines can be run. I have the following receivers: 9241/9200/5100/4100 - 6 tuners by my count - and each receiver would be at a different drop.

I already had an installer at the house who did not do the install and said that I needed to purchase a DPP44 as Bell does not support the DPP44. I contacted Bell who have said that a maximum of 6 receivers / 12 tuners can be run off of one dish. Bell says the move order will include anything to make all receivers work.

So, I am wondering 2 things:

- Does anyone know what the official story is regarding the DPP44 for Bell? Is this supported hardware? I don't want to buy something that should be covered for the install.

- What should the optimal configuration look like for a new install like this from the Dish to the 4 drops / 4 receiver (6 tuners).

Thanks for any assistance!

The correct procedure at the moment for 6 Tuners is to run 4 lines to a distribution system that will include 2 x SW44's, then 2 lines to each of your HD Dual Tuner HD PVR's, if this is not possible at this time then the Tech was correct.

Now, check out this Thread;

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=146516

If you can wait until after Oct 23rd.

Thanks for the reply Pinza. I just had the second installer leave my house who just told me the same thing about the DPP44 being supported in a couple weeks. I called BEV to discuss again and interestingly they tell me that the DPP44 is absolutely included now, was on the move order, and should have been installed. Allowing the DPP44 is great news whenever the official date is!

BTW, the fact that the installer wouldn't go into the attic where the all the wiring is waiting was the reason for not having the installation done this time. :(

Thanks for the reply Pinza. I just had the second installer leave my house who just told me the same thing about the DPP44 being supported in a couple weeks. I called BEV to discuss again and interestingly they tell me that the DPP44 is absolutely included now, was on the move order, and should have been installed. Allowing the DPP44 is great news whenever the official date is!

BTW, the fact that the installer wouldn't go into the attic where the all the wiring is waiting was the reason for not having the installation done this time. :(

The DPP44 isn't available until October 23rd. I'm not sure why they would tell you that it should have been installed now.