: 9200 / 9242 / 9241 Installation 101



Pinza
2008-08-26, 02:16 PM
Trust me, it is NOT UHF, honest......lol

Look out for a 6100, that would be my choice, or as you say another 9242.

speezer
2008-09-06, 09:50 PM
Hi, i need a question answered and this is the place...I know there are a lot of smart people here. I have a bell expressvu system setup in my home with 2 receivers. One is a 6100 hd model , the other is a 3100. I have been running this for 3 years now, however i want to switch out my 3100 now, and get the new 9242 pvr hd receiver since i now have to hdtv's to watch from. if i am not mistaken , my stuff is connected with sw21 switches for the feed. What do i need now to get the 9242 up and running. I know that sat1 and sat2 have to be coming into the house, but what switch am i missing to bring both those in? any help here would be greatly appreciated..thanks in advance..

Pinza
2008-09-06, 10:11 PM
If the SW21's are at the Dish, then replace them with an SW44 and run a second line to the 9242 location.

Tom.F.1
2008-09-07, 04:53 PM
I got my newest 9242 at BB. It came in the big box with the dish & switch & 2 LNB's. Comes with instructions too!! :rolleyes:
same price as the reciever by itself. I don't get why anybody would need to buy LNB's or dishes or switchs, i got Extras now.

I'll keep the switch and LNB's for spares in case one of the installed ones burns out some day.

Anybody need a dish? That sharp edge isn't going to be good for a snow disc.

Pinza
2008-09-07, 05:17 PM
I know, isn't it amazing that if you actually need a switch and the original installer used a pair of SW21's, for example, they have the nerve to charge you for one, yet they 'give' them away and the LNBF and Dish's with a 9242S.

Funny how Bell stopped selling Dish's to curb Piracy too, when there are so many 'spares' lying around.

Lets hope the Teachers Union get to grips and deal with this ridiculous waste of money.

speezer
2008-09-07, 07:43 PM
thanks for answering my question. I have seen on some websites that the sw44 switch needs a power source. I need to to know if i could do without it. So, in a nutshell what i have to do is replace the sw21 switch going into my main tv room and send the two sat feeds with an sw44. thanks....

Pinza
2008-09-07, 10:21 PM
An SW44 does require Power yes.

The 2 SW21's each have a feed from 91 & 82, all you do is connect these to an SW44, it will then give you a total of four outputs each having reception from 82 & 91.

Run 2 lines to the 9242, 1 to your 3100 and you still have a spare, for future use.

Tom.F.1
2008-09-08, 09:39 AM
The SW44 gets its power from the power supply VIA the COAX line. So its no problem putting the power supply anywhere you want.

I put the power supplies in the garage (on a UPS) with the switches, just to get it out from behind the stereo/TV stand.

Tuckeye
2008-09-12, 05:41 PM
Hi, you guys are a wealth of info, but I can't seem to find anything specific to my install so please bear with me if this is old hat:

I just bought a BEV 9242 (was a cable subscriber and an IPTV user, now for something better I hope).

My house seems to have 2 "older" Bell dishes on it (there when I bought the house). Both are 18", and one has a dual LNB in it. BOTH have one cable running into the house. I only plan on having the 9242....EVER. No other receivers.

Question 1:

Can a guy not aim 1 dish at Nimiq 1 and the other at Nimiq 2, DIRECTLY input the cables to the 9242 and get HD/SD that way? Or do I HAVE to use a switch? Under this theory of mine, would I not get a better signal than using 1 dish and "splitting the diff" when locating the receivers?

Question 2:

Since the one dish has a dual LNB in it, cannot I just use these two cables (and thus just one of the dishes) to feed the 9242 without using a switch? The the other dish with the single LNB can be taken down.

Little fuzzy on all this. I'd love to use the stuff already on my roof, but if I had to I could go get the new fangled dish and switch :)

Pinza
2008-09-12, 05:58 PM
No problems running 1 Dish for 91 & 1 Dish for 82. You cannot run 1 line from each though as BOTH feeds need to be combined, so you will need at the very least 2 x SW21's.

from your description, you have 2 old 18" Dish's, these will only really ever pick up 1 orbital location so the answer to question #2 is No.

To use the 2 dish's that are there now I would aim 1 at 91 and 1 at 82. Then make sure they are both Dual LNBF's (2 outputs). Then run the 2 lines from 1 of the dish's over to the other Dish, where you can then combine all 4 outputs, 2 from 91 & 2 from 82 into 2 x SW21's, then run 2 lines to your 9242.

Easy way, is to call Bell as you sound to be a new customer, you are entitled to a free installation.....

Tuckeye
2008-09-12, 06:23 PM
Ah, clear to me know, thank you so very much:

For each Sat (Nimiq 1 & 2 )I need a dual LNB, feeding two lines (both leads connected). THEN these have to be combined via the switch you mentioned or directly into an SW44(a), THEN fed to the receiver.

So, with that in mind I called where I bought the receiver, and he said "oh, come on back here and I'll give you the elliptical dish, LNB's and SW44 for free, just stick it on one of your old dish mounts. Then just follow the instructions in the box..."

Sounds better to me already!

Thanks alot for the guidance. Probably prevented me from having to sign up for anger management classes after a failed install :D

Pinza
2008-09-12, 06:28 PM
No problems....

Just a couple of tips for aiming though. Set the skew first, then connect directly from the 91 degree LNBF, to the 9242. Peak the signal. Then and only then, add the 82 LNBF and SW44 etc.

Don't forget that the Power Inserter has to go on the line feeding from Port #1 on the SW44.

Good Luck.

Tuckeye
2008-09-15, 08:27 AM
Thanks for the help Pinza!

I picked up a 9242 later that day. After a brief discussion explaining the existing setup on my roof, the vendor just said "I'll give you the dish upgrade kit", which included the required "elliptical" (I was thingking oval side-to-side...not the egg-shape up and down one :eek: ) dish and both dual LNB's.

I followed your instructions and had the receiver up and running in about 5 hours (3 of which was trying to figure out why the previous owner wired it all up like he did...sheesh...fixed that).

To my chagrin, the hardest part of the whole process was discovering the "activation center" isn't 24 hour :rolleyes: I had to wait until first thing Saturday morning to get my TV working, but it's pretty cool so far!

Thanks again!!

Pinza
2008-09-17, 08:06 AM
I am always happy to hear that my constant rambling actually helps people.....

Thanks for the feedback.

Enjoy.

wopmon
2008-09-19, 03:09 PM
Hello All, first time post long time reader.

I've got a situation that I am sure/hope can be answered. I've searched like crazy and can't seem to find the same situation. Possibly overlooked something.

Here goes:

I have (I believe) a single LNB and a dual LNB, so a total of 3 lines coming into the house. 2 of the lines (91's) go into a mutilswitch and 1 line (82) goes to an SW21. 1 of the lines comes from the out of the multiswitch into the other in of the SW21. The out from the SW21 goes into my 9242 and 2 of the other outs from the multiswitch go to standard recievers 5100's I believe. Everything works fine now (get HD and SD no problem), but not how I want or how it should be.

What I want to do is get 2 combined lines into my 9242, so I can view and record at the same time, and continue to get SD on my 2 other recievers.

The multiswitch is definitley not a SW44 and I'm not exactly sure what it is called, but it has 4 inputs, 2 for sat, 1 for ant and 1 for power with 4 outs to recievers.

Any help in getting 2 lines into my 9242 and keeping 2 standard recievers would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

Pinza
2008-09-19, 03:22 PM
2 Options.

Option 1;

Get another SW21, run another line from the 82 LNBF into it, then a line from the SW24 into the other side of the SW21. Result is 2 lines on the SW24 with 91 only and 2 x SW21's each with 91 & 82 feeding the 9242.

Option 2;

Bring another line from the 82 LNBF, get an SW44, connect 2 from 91 & 2 from 82 into the SW44. Result is 4 outputs all with 91 & 82.

I am sure there are many more fancy ways, but these seem the most obvious to me.

If you did NOT have HD before getting the 9242 you should be entitled to a free SW44 from wherever the receiver came from.

wopmon
2008-09-19, 03:55 PM
Thanks for the reply Pinza!

Sorry for the ingnorance.

I am little confused as to the 3 lines coming in. I'm not sure which are the 82 and which are the 91. The lines coming in the house are not labeled. Is there a way to tell which LNBF is which? I assumed the 2 lines going into the multiswitch were 91's, and the single into the SW21 was the 82.

Pinza
2008-09-19, 06:10 PM
Yes you will be correct the switch is fed from 91.

I would just hope that the 82 LNBF actually has a second spare port. Fingers crossed....

wopmon
2008-09-20, 11:28 AM
That's what I'm afraid of, did a quick look at the sat and there is definitely only 3 lines available. 2 for the 91 and 1 for the 82. Is it possible to split the combined singal? Or is there a switch that can accept 1 91 and 1 82 to multiple outs?

Pinza
2008-09-20, 12:40 PM
No & no.

Easist way is to get a Dual LNBF, then run another cable.