: 9200 / 9242 / 9241 Installation 101



walldad
2008-02-29, 01:05 AM
The sw44 is on the roof with the dish, no idea why, that was how the installer did it.
I think I am good to go, will try on the weekend

dosborne
2008-02-29, 07:21 AM
The sw44 is on the roof with the dish, no idea why, that was how the installer did it.
It is a common way to perform the install. Nothing wrong with it, although a do-it-yourselfer usually puts it inside as it make it easier to play with it. Functionally, there is no difference.
:)

walldad
2008-03-02, 12:14 PM
Everything now connected, I am attached to both tuners on the 9242 upstairs.
No problems, just had to drill up through the floor,connect the open cable to the 2nd tuner and run the check switch.
My next trick someday will be to add a 5th connection to hook up the 5900 I removed. That sounds like it will be more work. No rush on that project, just enjoying the HD in the living room for now
Thank you for the help

Q
2008-03-03, 10:24 AM
walldad,

good to hear all up and running.

If interested here is a thread on cascading SW44 switches (http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=79134)for more than 4 tuners.

Another method you may be interested in is using DP34's or DPP44 (http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=79135)

hrcplt
2008-03-21, 11:42 AM
I recently purchased a 9200 without the accompanying dish figuring I could split the single RG6 cable at the reciever to feed the two tuner inputs.

The dish is dual LNBF with two co-ax outputs on each LNBF. The guy who installed the dish 4 years ago only ran one cable from each LNBF to a 'Videopath Multi-Dish Switcher' then ran a single RG6 cable into the house.

This set-up worked fine for the BEV 6000 reciever but I'm having problems running the 9200. Am I going to be able to use the 9200 reciever with one RG6 feed from the dish using a DPP44 switch at the reciever to split the signal for each tuner input on the 9200?

Thanks for the info.

kandkt
2008-03-21, 01:26 PM
You have a couple of options:

If you are using Legacy equipment - You will have to use two SW21's or one SW44. You can install them at the dish, but you will have to run an additional line into your house.

If you are using DPP equipment - You can use DPP or DP LNB's, DPP SW44 and then use a separator at the receiver. With this option, you don't have to run an additional line into the house (however, the additional cost of the LNB's and switches will be considerably more than just adding a second line and SW21 in from your current set-up). You also need to be aware that BEV does not use DP or DPP equipment and that they will not provide you support with this equipment. See http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=79131 for more information.

Good luck.

hrcplt
2008-03-21, 02:42 PM
Okay thanks for the help.

Grelber
2008-04-19, 04:01 PM
I have been poking around trying to find the easiest way to run more then 4 receivers on XpressVu and I came across a 5 in (2 dual lnbf + 1 ant.). Would a setup such as that work in place of the SW44 that I am currently using?

Switch Specs

Frequency Range:
- LNB-Inputs 950-2300 MHz
- Terr. Input 40-862 MHz
- Outputs 40-2300 MHz
Control: 10-14.5 / 15.5-20 V + 0/22 kHz
Insertion Loss
- 950-2300 MHz 3 dB avg
- 40-862 MHz 0 dB avg
SAT Inputs Isolation 20 dB min
Maximum Input Level
- Sat. 100 dBµV
- Terr. 97 dBµV

I'm trying to connect one 9242 receiver, one 4100, one 3100, one 5900, and one 6100. Maybe another 9242 if this would work!

I know it won't be supported by ExpressVU but ...

Any input would be appreciated,
Grelber

scrooloose
2008-04-19, 04:55 PM
I don't think that will work but check out the Installation thread for all the possible switch combinations that will do what you want:

The index is post #1 of this thread.
http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=79152

-Mike

Grelber
2008-04-20, 01:42 PM
I don't think that will work but check out the Installation thread for all the possible switch combinations that will do what you want:

I know all those other methods will work but I am looking for a solution where I have as few short connecting cables as possible.

Does someone KNOW if this solution will (or will not) WORK

Grelber

dosborne
2008-04-21, 07:38 AM
Does someone KNOW if this solution will (or will not) WORK
Maybe I'm missing something, but how does that get you past 4 outputs?


The easiest install with the fewest components/cables in your case is:

91 feeds into a 3x4 multiswitch
the 3x4 feeds the SW44 and 2 SD receivers (3100 & 4100 for example)

82 also feeds into the SW44
the SW44 feeds 9242 (2), 6100 and the remaining SD receiver (5900)

Q
2008-04-21, 08:38 AM
Grelber,

Do you have a model # of which switch you are talking about? I have never heard of a 4/5 In and 8 Out.

The least amount of wires would be this setup.

DP Quad lnb
DPP44 switch

9242 receiver would get one line from DPP44 with DPP separator

4100, 3100, 5900 can get the remaining from DPP44


6100 would use one line of the remaining two lines from the DPQuad lnb.

Grelber
2008-04-21, 11:20 AM
I meant to include all the information on the switch but ..........

Its made by EMP-Centauri and the model number is S. 133-CP (3 in - 8 Out) Powered.

The description says:
3in/8out distribution system with passive terrestrial input, with an integrated power supply. The device is usable with both Dual and Twin LNB. Switching is done by 13/18 V from the satellite receiver. The multi-switch does not transmit 22kHz signal for high band reception and does not pass 22kHz tone from receivers. Also, with built-in amplifier for terrestrial input.

UPDATE:
I think I just answered my own question... It will only work with one satellite...

I guess the best option (fewest wires) I have left is to use two DP34 switches trunked to give me 8 outputs.
That way I only need two cables coming in to the first DP34. Then I can sell the SW44 I'm currently using.

Thanks for the input,
Grelber

Q
2008-04-21, 11:30 AM
That switch may work but it will only accept one lnb or one satellite. If you plan to watch any HD or any other programming on 82 then you should reconsider your wiring.

The question would be. How many receivers do you want receiving both satellites?

Grelber
2008-04-21, 12:02 PM
The question would be. How many receivers do you want receiving both satellites?

I answered my own question above (once you are past 60 you can do that).

Thanks for all the great info, Q.

Currently I have a 9242 and a 6100. I am planning on getting another 9242 so that will make 5 that can do HD.

I am thinking that two DP34's trunked would work very well..

Thanks again,
Grelber

Q
2008-04-21, 01:22 PM
Grelber,

If you can run two wires to each dual tuner receiver then the DP34 switch is a good choice. Just keep in mind you will need to change your lnb to DP.

Grelber
2008-04-22, 10:17 AM
If you can run two wires to each dual tuner receiver then the DP34 switch is a good choice. Just keep in mind you will need to change your lnb to DP.

That would be the LNB with the built in switch, with 2 outputs (or 3 outputs for the DPP LNB)..

What if I was to leave the SW44 in place and run the 4 outputs to the two DP34 switches? Or at least run 2 outputs directly to a 9242 and the other 2 to the first DP34 switch?

I forgot to mention that I have 2 dual LNB's with the 4 outputs going to the SW44.

If I were to telephone Bell, what would they suggest? (like I want to do that :( not!)

Too bad there are not more options for HDTV in "Friendly" Manitoba,
Grelber

Q
2008-04-22, 10:47 AM
Grelber,

You would need any DP lnb to work with DP34 or DPP44. It could be the DP single, dual, twin, quad or DPP twin. Obviously you would need two DP singles or duals.

Have a look at the installation index thread (http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=79152)created. It really shows all the options and explains what you need to make it work with diagrams.

The link above also has a link on cascading the SW44 switch.

Grelber
2008-04-22, 02:05 PM
Q,

This particular thread (http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=79135) should solve all my problems.. All my receivers have the DP logo beside the sat in connection.
All I need is a couple of DP34's

Thanks again for the excellent input,
Grelber

Q
2008-04-22, 02:15 PM
All I need is a couple of DP34's
and DP lnb's. Legacy lnb's won't work.