Nimiq 1,

So with 2 x SW21 switches, you would still have two lines going into each switch (from the dish), and each switch output going to the receiver?

Is the sole reason for using a SW44 switch so that at some later time a person could add more receivers?

Every day is a learning experience.

Abby

Oh when you get Express Vu you never stop learning. Or more accurately you learn what a mistake it was.....lol

You need all 4 lines into the switch's, beit 2 x SW21's or the SW44, that is a requirement.

You are correct about the SW44, it is really for your future expansion to 3 or 4 Tuners.

I have never understood the shear waste of money from Express Vu for putting a $150 SW44 into every 9200 / 9220 or 9242S, it is just overkill. All you need is a pair of SW21's and you will never have any worries about the Power Supply or the Power Inserter.

If you want to get even more technical you can always install a DPP LNBF and then you only need 1 line to the rear of your 9242 and at that point install a DPP Seperator.....

There you go, even more stuff for you to research....lol PM me if you need any help.

Nimiq 1

Thanks again for the info. I'm going to go with the sw44 since BEV was so generous (with the hardware that is, not with any useful installation instructions).

Thanks for the offer to contact you if I need some help...I just might.

Cheers,

Abby

Here is what I did, for those who want a summary for installing the 9242 with a sw44 switch.

0. Assemble and mount dish (from past experiences I have learned that you should take your time to make sure things are as plumb as possible – save yourself huge hassles later)

1. Connect dish to receiver (only LNB 91 directly to receiver, no switches), with no skew.

2. Turn on receiver and go to the point dish screen (menu 6-1-1). (You may receive a switch error message before you can do so, in which case just run a check switch). Align dish to best signal possible (try different transponders) for Sat 91.

3. Receive an another error message regarding switches; run a check switch. When done disregard the error summary and select DONE. Receiver now downloads program guide (presumably for Sat 91 channels). At this point, you will be on a particular channel that is being broadcast.

3. Leave receiver on, disconnect the 91 cable from the receiver, and connect all lines as follows:

a) both lines out of the 91 LNB to Sat 1A and Sat 1B inputs of switch SW44
b) both lines out of the 82 LNB to Sat 2A and Sat 2B inputs of switch SW44
c) one cable from switch output 1 to power inserter then to Sat1 input on receiver
d) one cable from switch output 2 directly to Sat2 input on receiver

4. Adjust skew.

5. Came back inside and the tv was still showing the channel it was tuned to when only 91 was connected. Run check switch and all checked out fine.

6. Click done and new program guide information is downloaded (download took longer than the stated 5 minutes, closer to 20 minutes).

Thanks again everyone.

Abby

Personally I would recommend setting the skew right at the beginning.....

I am a newbie to all these cabling schemes, as I have had Bell in both times when adding equipment, and they ran the cable, etc.
After my last install (upon getting a 9200), I now have the dish mounted on the SW corner of my house, with the SW44 mounted at the rear of the dish. 2 of its outputs go directly into the house at the SW corner, feeding my family room's 9200, while the remaining two go around to the back of the house, and into the house where my old Cable TV distribution/spliiters, etc. were located. These 2 feeds then go to a 3100 in a bedroom and a 5900 in another bedroom.
Question:
I want to replace the 5900 with a 9242, as I just purchased a new Toshiba 1080P LCD for that bedroom. How can this be done, to fully use the 9242's dual tuners?
I do have a Spacelabs MS-34 switch that was installed by Bell when I first switched from Cable TV to BEV, and was used to distribute my BEV.....it is not used in my current configuration. Can it be used? Pls advise and tks!
Can anyone offer me some assistance/guidance? The 9242 is on special this wk at FS, and I would like to know what I am facing. Any help would be most appreciated. Tks.

Get a dish pro twin or a dish pro plus twin lnb and a dishpro plus 44 switch and 2 dishpro plus sepertors. You can use all the existing lines.
See the well drafted diagram diagram below. The only thing you should change is to have the power supply feed to a 9242/9200 rather than the 3100 (although this may not matter). The second line feeding your current 9200 will no longer be needed after the dp plus seperator is added.
http://aycu01.webshots.com/image/36800/2005587717855218331_rs.jpg

That would indeed be an excellent way to do it.

I like your thinking of not having the Power Inserter on the HD box's, that was always my advice to Techs.

I just did a wonderful, even if I do say so myself, installation this week of a system where the customer has 5 9200 / 9242's, used DPP all the way through, it was probable the easiest installation I have ever done.

He still has 3 ports for future expansion.....lol

Thanks, guys....much appreciated!
Is that the only option? I was kind of figuring the additional SW44 i rec'd with a new 9242 would/could figger in it somewhere? I was really hoping to not have to go back out to the top of the house at the dish and/or LNB's (and where the existing SW44 is mounted), as we've got a fair bit of snow and ice all under it, etc. I have no options, dealing with the existing 2 cables I have terminating at my distribution point inside the house, feeding the 5900 and 3100? And to keep the cost at a minimum, yet not sacrificing signal/picture quality?
...and while I have your ear (oops..eyes), if I have to go with Barter's solution, which of my existing dual LNB's would I replace? Can you suggest a place to purchase the recommended in Canada, with minimal shipping costs?

ebay is you best bet.

From what I read you would need a SW44A to expand your current setup. The sw44 that comes with your 9242S buddle cant't be added on to your existing sw44.

It can if he uses 4 x 2 way 2Ghz splitters or 2 x SW34's. However an SW44a would also work.

As he already has a spare SW34 that would in theory be the cheapest option.

your cheapest option is to buy a 5.99 sw24. (mine was 16.94 after shipping, lol)
you already have a sw44 and a sw34, the new 9242 comes with a sw44.

That was how i did it, works fine. Don't know why people want you to spend a pile on\f money on DPP when the cheap and easy solution works just fine.

You don't hear much about the drawbacks of DPP, like 2.25 GHz doesn't go far on RG6.

You don't hear much about the drawbacks of DPP, like 2.25 GHz doesn't go far on RG6.

This depends on the quality of RG6.

If it is good quality, you will have no problems pushing the signal to 600 feet, I know, I have done it.

I have a run right now of 400 feet using Legacy equipment.

It all depends on the cable spec.

Hi there everyone. I have an issue that I hope some of the bright people here can help with. When I got my new 9200 installed a year ago, I only had 3 tvs to hook up to 3 receivers. I had the 9200, a 2700 and a 4700. I got a new home theater installed over the weekend and bought a new 9242 to put down there replacing the old 2700. I finally have it working somewhat, but I keep getting error messages from the 9242 saying that i need 2 cables into the receiver. I really don't expect to use the 9242 as a dual tuner as I know that I can only get 4 feeds off the quad lnbf that I have installed. I really only want a single tuner HD receiver but Bell doesn't sell one. I'd prefer not to install a new dish on the roof, but if there are any possible options using the existing wiring (or variations there-of), I'd love to hear them.

Hope this is somewhat clear to someone out there.

Thanks

It is possible to run a 9242 with only a single cable input in "single tuner mode", but running that way seems to create more problems than it solves, based on various comments in these forums.

I take it that your "new home theater" came with another TV, such that you now have four TVs. Of course, your quad LNB also gives you four outputs so the "math" still works to allow you to avoid changing anything at the dish. One possible solution if you don't want to change LNBs/Switches/etc. is to discontinue using the 4700 and use the cable feeding the 4700 to feed the second tuner of the 9242. You can then feed the TV that used to use the 4700 with the second tuner from either the 9200 or 9242. As long as this TV is SD, you don't lose anything by having it fed from tuner two of the 9200 or 9242, since these tuners only output SD. The only tricky part is getting the signal from the 9200 or 9242 to the back of this TV, but since the signal out of tuner two of the 9200/9242 is "analog", you should be able to send the signal through your existing cables to the TV using diplexers, which allow for a digital signal and analog signal to "share" the same cable and which you can pick up for $10 - $20 apiece. The fact this TV is (presumably) in a different room than the 9200/9242 isn't an issue - both come with UHF remotes for tuner two. Because of cabling issues, this is how my house is set up and it works well.

BTW, Bell does have a "single tuner HD receiver" - the 6100. It's not a PVR, however.

I really don't expect to use the 9242 as a dual tuner as I know that I can only get 4 feeds off the quad lnbf that I have installed.

That's not quite right. You can easily feed more than 4 tuners from the 4 feeds from the dish, using switch combinations like 2 SW44s, or an SW44 plus an SW44a, or .... You may have some switch(es) already installed to give your 9200 access to both orbital locations (or is a switch built into your quad LNBF?), and your new 9242 probably included an SW44, so you may already have all the switching parts needed to feed all six of your current tuners.

I'm hoping to switch the 2700 out for the 9242. That old receiver was in the basement already. I know I got a switch in the box with the 9242. Can I just take the cable from the 2700, plug it into the switch and run 2 cables to the 9242? It seems too easy but I thought that I would ask.

Can I just take the cable from the 2700, plug it into the switch and run 2 cables to the 9242? It seems too easy but I thought that I would ask.

No, unfortunately, it's not that easy. Your options depend on what you already have in place. Do you have a quad LNB with built-in switch or is it really two dual LNBs with an SW44 (perhaps mounted on or near the back of the dish)?

I just got home and looked at the dish. It's really 2 dual lnbfs with the switch inside the house.

I just got home and looked at the dish. It's really 2 dual lnbfs with the switch inside the house.

In that case, you probably have a SW44, which would have come with your 9200. You cannot split the single cable from the SW44 that currently feeds your 2700 so that you can feed both inputs on the 9242. In order to do that, you would need to change the switch to a DPP34. You might also have to switch LNBs, if the two twin LNBs are not DPP (and they probably are not, if they, too, came with your 9200).

Alternatively, I believe you can add a SW44A switch to "cascade" with your existing SW44 and thereby double the number of outputs. As well, I believe there is some kind of specialized splitter that Nimiq (formerly an official BEV installer) uses that splits the four cables coming out of the LNBs into 8, which then would allow you to use the second SW44 that came with your 9242.

Or for the $20 - $80 cost of a few diplexers, you could do what I described in my first post :rolleyes: