: 9200 / 9242 / 9241 Installation 101
Nimiq 1 2007-11-04, 10:34 AM All great but by using 2 sw21's the receiver will eventually fail.
This is just NOT TRUE.
There is NO reason why a 9200 or 9242 would ever fail if used with 2 x SW21's.
If you can supply documention from Echostar or Express Vu to back this statement up, now is the time to do it......
jpaul 2007-11-06, 10:43 AM Quick questions..and just wanna make sure. the 9200 will work with a DPP twin lnbf and DDP seperator right? I think this is alot easier then using a sw44 switch, less wires into house...
Nimiq 1 2007-11-06, 11:00 AM Quick questions..and just wanna make sure. the 9200 will work with a DPP twin lnbf and DDP seperator right? I think this is alot easier then using a sw44 switch, less wires into house...
Yes, works just fine.
Several of my neighbors have the same configuration all running flawlessly.
Just remember that if you are EVER going to hook this receiver back up to Legacy Switch and LNBF, to run a Check Switch, with NO cables on the rear of the receiver, to farce it back to Legacy voltages. Failure to do this could result in the Legacy equipment to fail.....
jpaul 2007-11-06, 11:10 AM Ohh!!! thanks for the info Nimiq 1
TheSisko88 2007-11-08, 07:49 PM Hello,
I just bought a bell 9200 and i have never set up a dish before. My question is, being that i only want to run one receiver, do i have to run 4 coax cables to the SW44, or can i just run 2 coax cables ( one from each landb ) to the switch. I have seen this diagrammed in the instruction manual and attempted to do so. I have signal on both satellites yet when i attempt to run a check switch, it tells me that one of my switches is not functioning. Please help if you can!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also, in order to tell if you have both satellites, do you have to switch tuners to find your signal on the respective satellites.
Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.
Nimiq 1 2007-11-08, 08:03 PM You need all 4 cables on the Input side of the SW44.
Then just 2 lines to the 9200.
Ensure that the Power Inserter is on the cable feeding from Port #1 of the switch.
To align and check signal before running countless "Check Switch" routines, I would suggest the following.
Set the skew for your location.
Attach cable from LNBF in 91 degree port of the Dish directly to the 9200, DO NOT USE AN SW44 AT THIS TIME.
Peak the signal on 91.
Tighten all bolts.
Attach all 4 cables from LNBF's to the SW44.
Run 2 cables from Output side of SW44 to BOTH inputs of the 9200.
Check Switch.
Sit back and wait for Express Vu to activate your receiver......lol
Tom.F.1 2007-11-09, 05:18 PM I'm putting up 2 dishes, one for each sat. My manual only has the elevation for 91? And it has skew.
I assume i don't need Skew because I'm using one dish for each sat.
So, does anybody know the elevations from Ajax? Or know where I can find a chart?
Thanx again,
Tom
Tom.F.1 2007-11-10, 10:59 AM I found 82 & 91 Elevations on SatToys.com.
Now I have a switch question hopefully someone can answer. The 'plan' is using two SW-24's to feed two SW-44's, giving me 8 outputs for tuners.
I have a Bell SW-24, it has a Coax power input, TV Ant input and 2 Sat inputs, 4 outputs. Since I needed 2 switches, I bought one (ebay) and its a cheappy, 2 x 4, less than half the size of the Bell SW-24.
Do I need power on the SW 24? Do I need another Bell Switch? Will there be any difference in signal strength between the powered switch and the cheap one?
Thanx again for all your help!!
P.S. I was rather disappointed in the 2 differnt LNB's in the 9242 box. One is Bell and the other is Dish. I had to modify them to fit my feed mounts and the cases and the insides are different.
Nimiq 1 2007-11-11, 09:41 AM You do not need any power to SW24's unless you are 75 to 100 feet from Dish to Switch, even then power might not be needed.
LNBF's are a real mish-mash, there are literally hundreds (almost) of internal layouts, most of the ones that are "Dish", are refurbished, identified by a small blue stick that reads "QC Passed".
Simmer 2007-11-11, 02:21 PM I found 82 & 91 Elevations on SatToys.com.
Here's a handy calculator (https://support.telesat.ca/LookAngle/LookAngleCalculator.aspx) from Telesat Canada that I discovered through BEV's SRDU (http://www.********.ca/en/index.shtml) site.
Tom.F.1 2007-11-11, 10:25 PM Thank you again for the info. You were right, I unplugged the power supply on the Bell sw24 and it made NO difference in signal strength.
I got both my new dishes up today. (Turns out the little elevation marks on the mount have nothing to do with reality.) I ended up with more signal on all transponders, although not as much as I'd hoped for. It's still below 100 on some transponders. I'm also disappointed with the flimsy mounts, I think they'll shake real good in a good wind. I didn't expect the best, the 2 dishes were 90.00 I guess we'll see if it helps with rain fade next time we have a good storm. :)
KarmaPatrol 2007-11-14, 01:28 PM How many RG6 and Cat5E do i need to Run from the south east Corner of my house to my pannel for the HD satellite dish? -- Im not installing the dish im just running the cable-- so if anyone could just let me know that would be AWESOME!
Cheers!
scrooloose 2007-11-14, 01:41 PM You need 4 cables from your Dish outside to your SW44 switch, then one cable from the SW44 to each receiver location (two cables if you have a 9200 - which has two tuners).
Some people mount the SW44 outside, some inside. Personally I prefer inside.
I assume the Cat. 5E is for telephone? If so, one line to each receiver if you plan to connect them to the telephone lines. It's useful for ordering PPV and the Call Display feature is nice.
-Mike
KarmaPatrol 2007-11-15, 10:02 AM I havnt gone into the Bell Store to check out their hd dishes yet but is the 9200 the best one? -- why does their need to be 2 rg6 to each location with the 9200 -- i know you said it has to recievers but im not sure i get the concept-- isint it like just a box that attaches to the wall and then i split the signal off to each room? I need to get hd satellite in 5 rooms.
scrooloose 2007-11-15, 11:34 AM The 9200 and newer 9242 model have dual tuners. That means you can record one show and watch another, or record two different shows at the same time. Each tuner needs to be fed its own line from the SW44, you can't just split the cable.
That said, there is equipment that would allow you to run one line from the switch to the 9200/9242 and still use both tuners. It's called Dish Pro Plus. It's not supported by Bell, and you'll have to find the equipment yourself. You'll find better descriptions and diagrams in this very thread. Have a look back from post #1.
-Mike
Stan Dev 2007-11-15, 12:03 PM I havnt gone into the Bell Store to check out their hd dishes yet but is the 9200 the best one?
The 9200 is a receiver, not a dish. The recently-introduced model 9242 is the current top-of-the-line BEV receiver.
...why does their need to be 2 rg6 to each location with the 9200 -- i know you said it has to recievers but im not sure i get the concept-- isint it like just a box that attaches to the wall and then i split the signal off to each room?
The 9200 and 9242 models each contain two satellite tuners. Each tuner can watch or record from only one TV channel at a time. Having two tuners allows you to watch one show while recording another, or to record two different shows at the same time.
You can't just use splitters because each tuner needs to send a signal up the cable towards the SW44 switch to select among one of four banks of channels (two banks from the satellite at 91 degrees orbital location and two banks from 82 degrees), depending on what channel that tuner is tuned to. If you shared the same cable (via splitters) to more than one receiver or tuner, they could not tune to channels in separate banks because their up-stream signals would conflict.
I need to get hd satellite in 5 rooms.
Do they all need to be able to watch different shows at the same time? If so, you will need 5 HD receivers and more than just one SW44 switch. If they will never all be watched at the same time, or if more than one will always be watching the same show, then there are solutions that use fewer receivers, either by taking advantage of the dual HD outputs of the 9200/9242 (1 HDMI + 1 Component Video) or by using an HD distribution system on the output side of the receiver(s).
[Oops, scrooloose beat me to the answer, and did a much more succinct job. But I'll leave this note here because it gives a bit more background.]
lamajama 2007-11-16, 05:20 PM I recently added another 9200, installed on a single HDTV.
Whenever I turn on the 9200, it prompts me to use remote #2
in order to synchronize the tv and remote #2. If I use remote #1
and hit cancel, it disappears.
I will never be using remote #2 on this tv.
Is there a way I can get this prompt to not keep re-occuring?
Stan Dev 2007-11-16, 05:32 PM Is there a way I can get this prompt to not keep re-occuring?
Have you tried just doing what it says? (I'm not intending to be facetious; just requesting a clarification.)
lamajama 2007-11-16, 05:36 PM Have you tried just doing what it says? (I'm not intending to be facetious; just requesting a clarification.)
I did what it said, then removed the batteries from Remote #2 and put it away.
It still comes up.
Good question though...I laughed at your question because it made me feel
like an idiot for not saying that in my original post... :)
Stan Dev 2007-11-16, 07:13 PM I did what it said, then removed the batteries from Remote #2 and put it away.
It still comes up.
Hmm. That's not normal behaviour for a 9200. I have only had to go through that procedure once for each of my two 9200s, when I first activated them (and then I too stashed my #2 remotes away in a drawer.) I suppose a hard reset of some sort might also trigger that prompt, but I haven't had to do that yet.
Perhaps it didn't "stick" the first time, and you should try it once more with your #2 remote? (Grasping at straws here...)
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