Since having the 9200 I have noticed alot of audio sync issues that I never (or rarely) noticed with the 3100. For example, nearly all sporting events in HD seem to be out of sync (with the audio 1 second ahead of the picture). I assumed this must just be the programming (live sports being difficult to sync) until I started noticing it more with SD channels (Centre Ice hockey for example). So, to compare, I fired up the same shows on the 3100 (which is a totally separate entity from the 9200) and sure enough, they sync'd-up fine.I've made a discovery on this problem I posted back in early Feb.

I decided to unhook my HDMI cable from the TV and use component video cables, and stereo audio cables to connect my 9200 to the TV instead, with nothing else in the way. When watching in this configuration, it seems that the audio sync problem I had has gone away.

However, I also have an optical audio cable connected to my audio receiver. If I turn the audio receiver on at the same time as the TV setup mentioned above, there is a noticeable echo wherein the digital audio (optical) is a split second (about 1-word) ahead of the stereo cables feeding through the TV.

I am starting to beleive the problem with this all along has been with the output of digital audio from the 9200. When I had the HDMI cable hooked up, the audio from the TV (HDMI) and from the audio receiver (optical) were always bang-on with each other, but often out of sync with the picture.

But now, it appears that with analog stereo cables, the audio sync's with the picture, but digital audio is ahead of the picture.

Could this be a problem with the receiver? Has anyone else experienced anything like this, or could I be missing something?

I greatly appreciate any advice I can get. Thanks!

This is a know issue with the 9200 within Express Vu but they are now abandoning any and all remedies as the MPEG4 units will eventually take over.

I believe if you make enough noise you might get swapped out early....No guarantee though.

Nimiq 1

audio sync is a real big problem with everybody in the TV business, not just EV.
Mostly they just passthru what they get. And depending on the type of audio being decoded by the reciever, it can take more or less processing, and can be delayed differing amonts from the video.
Newer, better ways of syncing audio with video will be coming. Which of course won't help any of us now.
The best thing to do is try everything and use what sounds best.
Normaly, audio 1 or 2 frames late is OK. Our eyes and ears are trained for audio-follow-video. In real life, when someone talks from accrss the room, sound will be late. Light travels a lot faster than sound.
When audio is before video, even by a slight amount, it's very noticable.
When it's bad, I go to plain stereo rather than dolby digital.
Really high end home theater recievers are coming with audio sync processors.
This isn't a problem that is going to be solved by expressvu.

I'm trying to add the 9200 to my existing system. I'd like to avoid digging more trenches to run coax. Any way I can use the two lines coming to the house to run all three receivers? I did purchase a 4-way multiswitch but am not sure what I'm doing. See picture below for my current configuration.http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/7167/satconfigquestionjj4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

If you can run 4 lines into house and from dish the cheapest is probably to remove the sw21's and add a Sw44.

If you want to stick with 2 lines then you will need a DP34 or DPP44 switch. You will also need to change your lnb's to DP or DPP.

DPP also needs to use RG-6 cable so you would have to confirm your house wiring.

Joe

You won't be able to do it with what hardware Bell supplies with the 9200. The SW44 switch needs four lines from the dish. However, if you're willing to change to Dish Pro Plus equipment, then you should be able to do it. You would need a DPP44 switch, DPP LNB's and a separator. You should find some examples in this thread.

-Mike

Thanks for the reply guys.

If I install new DPP LNBs I will have to retune the dish right? Receiving both sats was almost impossible at my new house, which is why I have two dishes and it cost me a fortune to pay an expert to get it working. I'd rather dig the ditch if that's the case.

No, I think you can continue using two dishes. One coax from the DP/P LNB on each dish into a DP/P switch (depending whether you plan to use Dish Pro or Dish Pro Plus gear). The DPP gear lets you run a single coax to your 9200 using a separator and DPP44 switch. Otherwise, you could use a DP34 switch but you would need two lines from that switch to your 9200. If cost is at all an issue, starting digging ;)

I stress though that Bell doesn't (yet) support any of the DP/DP Plus equipment. Hopefully they will soon though.

-Mike

Read through the thread. Installed the DPP Plus twin lnb and separator, but getting switch problems on some channels. 9200 switch matrix shows everything ok, but tuning to channels is another issue. Did bell make any changes to their setup? DOn't want to get a DPP44.

maddawg,

I am running the twin only currently on a 9200 and 5200 with separators with no issues as of last night.

Is your signal strength high?
maybe try unplugging from the separator, stripping and reconnecting.
maybe try the same with the lnb.

joe

Hooked up my regular quad lnb with both inputs and working great. Gotta figure out why my twin did not work. Definitely do not want to get a dpp44.

I've read this thread but am still having some problems wrapping my little mind around how to configure things given my set up.

I currently have an old dish with two cables running to two seperate receivers in my home. Unfortunately, it is not possible to run more cables.

I currently have an Expressvu 5100 and 2100. I've just been given a 9200 kit and I want to replace my 5100 with the 9200 for HD.

Given what comes in the kit from BEV, what is the simplest way to get the new 9200 working while allowing the 5100 to move to replace the 2100?

I've looked at all the diagrams and when I look at option #3 with the SW44 at the start of this thread, it shows 4 cables going into the SW44 from the dish. Can the switch be outside? Also, it shows that I need to have two cables going to my 9200 and that just isn't possible.

Any and all help is greatly appreciated.

Best regards,

Paul

Paul,

you will need to get a DPP twin LNB and a DPP separator. cheapest is off ebay.

Joe

Quick question that doesn't appear to have been answered in this thread or elsewhere.

Are there any separators that work with DP34 switches? I've got one cable coming from DP34 through the wall to a "picture in picture" TV and would like to set up second receiver without fishing second cable through wall, i.e. install separator once cable emerges from wall to feed two receivers.

any response much appreciated

1) DPP separators only currently work with a DPP twin or DPP 44 switch

2) Using a separator ONLY allows the 2 lines into 1 dual tuner receiver. NOT 2 receivers with one tuner each.

Joe

1) DPP separators only currently work with a DPP twin or DPP 44 switch

2) Using a separator ONLY allows the 2 lines into 1 dual tuner receiver. NOT 2 receivers with one tuner each.

Joe

Thanks for the response Joe.

1) I know that DPP whatever only works with DPP whatever. My question was whether there's any such thing as a DP separator.

2) I was somewhat surprised to hear a DPP separator only works with a two-tuner receiver like a 9200. I may regret asking this, but why is that? I would have thought it wouldn't matter whether you fed one or two receivers from the separator, as long as (for e.g.) both were DPP compatible or some such. Is there something in a two-tuner receiver like the 9200 that is needed before the signals sent through both outputs of a separator can be read?

1) no DP separator

2) the receiver does things when getting the odd even from both satellites. I don't know everything about it but you can't even connect it to 2 separate dual tuners (one line each). Each separator must be used with one dual tuner.

Just hooking up my 9200 and I can get a signal from the Satellite without the power inserter however when I hook up the power inserter from line 1 out of the 44 switch I lose the signal. Any suggestions?

Believe it or not there has been a large batch of SW44's shipped recently that pick up power from Port #2 via an IRD. if it's a recent installation that could be the issue.

Leave out the Power Supply, see if all receivers work.

Express Vu, of course, do not believ us even when we can show them dozens of these switch's.

Let me know how it works out.

Nimiq 1

Okay,

I had a functioning Bell SW44 and 4 ExpressVU 6000 HD boxes.

I need to change all 4 boxes to 9200 HD PVRs.

Running new cables from the roof (where the dish / switch is located) is not possible.

Am I correct to say that I need to get a:

Dish Pro Plus SW44 to replace the standard SW44 that bell installed,
then use my existing 4 lines, and run them into 4 DPP separators, so that I can get 2 outputs from each separator, into each room, for each 9200 PVR?

And is e-bay still the best place to get them?