Will a separator allow me to split the connection (That is now going to the 4100), so it can go to the dual tuners on the 9220?

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No. What you are trying to do there is mix DPP hardware with non-DPP. It won't work.

Pretty much you will have to either run a second line for the 9200, or use a DPP Twin LNB and then you can use the seperator.

What if I install the original two sw21 switches back on the dish, with all four cables from the dish going into them. Can I connect the two feeds running into the house from the sw21, into a SW44, or does sw44 need all 4 connections connected into it?

What if I install the original two sw21 switches back on the dish, with all four cables from the dish going into them. Can I connect the two feeds running into the house from the sw21, into a SW44, or does sw44 need all 4 connections connected into it?

nope can't do that.

The SW44 needs all 4.

What are you trying to accomplish?

Thanks for your answers Joe and Ken.

Basically Joe I have the the two dual lnbs on the dish and all four cables go into a sw44. From the switch, I have two cables running into the house. One is going to my 6100 receiver, and the second one is going to my 4100 receiver. I have a 9220 and want to replace the 4100 with it. I was hoping not to have to drill another hole into the house, but it looks like I will have to do that to have the 6100, and both tuners in the 9220 connected.

Drilling a hole to add another wire is cheapest and quickest.

THere are other options however.

You can get a DPP twin lnb and a separator. What the outcome is one wire goes to one receiver and the other wire goes to 9200. Before it goes into the 9200 it goes into separtor which has one input and two outputs. This device only works for dual receivers and DPP twin lnb or DPP switch.

This method limits you to 2 receivers.

Another method is to get a DPP twin lnb and a DPP switch. The outcome will be 2 wires going into the house and into the switch. Using DPP separators you can have up to 4 receivers hooked up.

Option 1 is around $50+ CDn on ebay
Option 2 is around $250 + on ebay

You have to decide what is best for you.

Thanks Joe. Or the third option which is the cheapest way. Stop being lazy and run two extra cables into the house from the sw44. :)

There doesn't seem to be a way around drilling that second hole.

Myself, I would be inclined to take this oportunity to move the switch inside; then down the road if you want to add a new receiver this isn't an issue anymore. Or use the 4th connection and keep your 6100.

Just curious though why you are keeping the 4100 and not the 6100?

Actually I am keeping the 6100, not the 4100. Bit since I have to drill into the house I might as well run the 4th cable as well and connect the 4100 in the bedroom.

Example #4- Installing with 2 SW21 Switches
I am leaving this example in here. Originally we thought that Bell would be giving us 2 SW-21 switches; however it looks like Bell has stepped up and given us a SW44 instead. (Good on Bell) :D

Each of the LNB's will point to one satellite, so you use the switches as if you are combining the signal. So a line goes from each LNB into each of the switches, then each of the cables coming out of both switches goes into the receiver.
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a290/ken0042/9200_w_sw21.jpg

Can someone confirm whether there still is a need to use grounding blocks between the satelite dish and the receivers or any internal switches? The orginal 3100 install required the grounding blocks but Bell seems to be saying they are no longer required. Any help appreciated.

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Bell said that?

You need some type of grounding unless you don't care if your equipment gets fryed and may cause a fire.

The external RG6 cable comes with a cooper ground strip on the exterior. When using this type of cable to connect to the Dual LNB do you strip back the ground cable and attach the four cooper ground cables (2 Dual LNB's) to mast mounting bracket? There does not seem to be a separate ground on the LNB. The other end of the RG6 cables goes to the SW44 which has a grounding screw that I will connect the cooper cables to and I will ground the SW44 to my house's ground. I assume that this would effectively ground the dish/mast and the LNB since they have a metal screw that secures them to the arm of the dish which is connected to the mast? I am placing my SW44 inside the house close to the entry point of the cables at the exterior wall and will be using indoor RG6 cables from that point to the 3 receivers (9200, 3100 & 2700) in the house. I assume you do not need to separately ground the receivers is this correct?

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Can anyone confirm that the elevation and Compass directions for Ottawa are correct in the 9200 manual? I was looking at the manual that came with my 3100 3-4 years ago and the numbers are different. I am going to install the new 20" dish that came with my 9200 and the elevation is 37.1 and the compass direction is 208.4. In the same manual on I-53 the protractor shows elevations that are diffent for the locations in the previous section. Interesting that I-53 is identical to the information in the 3100 manual and the elevation is 35.5 and the compass direction is 215.4. Are the difference in the information provided due to the skew of 100.3 for Ottawa does that account for the 7 degree difference in compass direction and the 1.6 degree difference in elevation?

I was just planning to pull the dish of the existing mass and slip the new dish on with the same location but given the differences in the values I might miss the satellites.

When I go to http://sadoun.com/Sat/Installation/Satellite-Heading-Calculator.htm they give a compass setting of 201 and and elevation 35.6. Adding the 14 degrees for magnetic deviation then that would mean a 215 degree compass setting which is closer to the setting from the 3100 manual for Nimiq1. For Nimiq2 the coordinates are 188.8 (202.8 with deviation) and 37.4 elevation.

So I guess I need to mount the dish using the directions from the manual and hope the difference are just the result of the skew.

Any and all help appreciated

The grounding lug on the SW44 MUST be grounded.
I'll bet the manual says it must be grounded in 17 different places.
Not necessary to put another ground point in the coax, but it you have the switch inside your house it might be a good idea to have a ground block outside. I also have a ground on the dish mount itself, (just like in the picture). You can use a water pipe, its better than nothing, but a ground rod outside would be better. No sense bringing the lighting inside your house to get to ground. :rolleyes:

The look angle in the manual is close enough to get you started. I didn’t even have a compass, didn’t need it. Set up your dish point roughly southwest and start panning. Once you acquire the sat signal you, you're going to do a lot of tweaking, adjusting, peaking to maximize signal strength. Make sure you go over ALL the adjustments at least twice. Setting skew may offset azimuth. Tweak, tweak, tweak, and then tighten.

I am using the setting from the manual and get nothing (208.4 compass, 37.1 elevation and 100.3 skew) when I moved it a bit I got 91 coming through on the 82 LNB. (the Y has the LNB label so that what I am going by and I labelled the cables this way) Two try and eliminate any other complications I have one cable from the 82 LNB going to a 3100 and one cable from the 91 LNB going to a 2700. I have the two receivers set up to search for a signal on the corresponding sat.

My mast is plumb and the dish has no obstructions....help?

I was finally able to get the right coordinates, not sure why but I end up getting the recievers to work with a compass direction of 207 and elevation of 37. Signal strenght on 91 is 92% and 82 is 80%. These signal strength reading come from attaching the LNB directly to a 3100. When I connect the four LNB cables to the SW44 the 91 drops to 65% and the 82 drops to 56% on most transponders. Last night my HD stations were dropping and receiver seem to be looking on 91 for the stations. I performed a checkswitch and the system loses either 82 even or 82 odd, and sometime it loses both. Reconnected LNB cables to a 3100 without the switch and the signal strenght is still the same as when installed.....bad switch or invertor...Bell to ship me new SW44 and invertor next week. I assume that the invertor can be close to the receiver (8 ")? My SW44 is only 14 feet from the LNB and 10 feet from the PVR.

I must admit that I am somewhat underwhelmed as to the picture quality on HD. I have the PVR set to 1080i and I am using the HDMI to DVI cable to connect PVR to SONY LCD. I have tried watch the hockey game last night with HD on one tuner and SD on the other with no huge difference. I assume that the HDMI route is the best option as opposite to using component input? Any suggestions?

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Garry, is 1080i the native resolution for your display? Perhaps 720p would produce a better picture on your Sony.

Signal strenght on 91 is 92% and 82 is 80%. These signal strength reading come from attaching the LNB directly to a 3100. When I connect the four LNB cables to the SW44 the 91 drops to 65% and the 82 drops to 56% on most transponders.


I had a similar experience. Signal strength via a temporary SW22 into my 5100 produced great numbers.
After installing the SW44, power inverter etc and the 9200 my numbers are way lower.
10 ft from LNB to SW44, another 8 ft from switch to 9200. so distance is not an issue.

Am I losing signal strength as a result of the connections (perhaps poor connections?) inserted along the way or do I have a bad switch too?

The Sony HDTV supports 480P, 720P and 1080i, I have set the PVR back to 720P with no noticable change. I would suspect since it is a digital signal that the only issue with a low signal is that the channel may drop sometimes or parts of the image would disappear.

Question for the experts, my Sony HDTV DVI port input terminal is compliant with the EIA-861 standard(purchased March 2003). I understand that the HDMI connection on the PVR supports HDCP and that there are issues between these two standards. I read somewhere that in this case the signal is downgraded to 480i. Is this true and if so would I be better to use the component output from the PVR to the component of my receiver (Yamaha RXV-567) and then component output to the Sony HDTV? I assume that through component connections I would get 1080i.

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Hi All -

I just signed up for BEV and chose the rental option for the 9220 with the free install. I just have a couple of questions...

What happens if the Installer can't get a clear signal or view of the satellite? Will they cancel the contract that I signed up for online? It looks like I have a clear view to the SE from up high on the East side of my house. (I'm in the north surrey, bc area if that helps).

What can I expect from the Installer, the BEV site claims the install includes upto 150' of cable, but the 9220 will need 2.

Counting down until the 23rd when I get my install!
Thanks - Chris