Your IRD determines which satellite signals are present on the cable connected to a DishProPlus LNB.

Rather than using the traditional 13V/18V polarity switching found in the majority of LNBF's, DishPro technology uses a technique known as 'band-stacking' to place both polarities on the cable at the same time, using frequencies between 1650MHz and 2150MHz to carry the 'odd' polarity, while the 'even' is carried on the standard 950MHz to 1450MHz. A switch -- either internal to the twin LNBF or an external like a DP34 -- selects satellites. That's why you can't use DP equipment with older legacy equipment. The old boxes aren't expecting signal above 1450MHz.

DishProPlus technology takes DishPro one step further when used with a DPP-compatible dual-tuner receiver. Rather than carrying both polarities from one satellite in those two frequency bands, it carries the satellite and polarity selected by Tuner 1 on 950-1450, and the satellite and polarity selected by Tuner 2 on 1650-2150. The separator keeps the tuners from fighting with each other :) The nice thing about DPP hardware is that it appears as DPP to a DPP IRD like the 9200, as DP to DP equipment like your 3100, and as the old tried-and-true 2-LNBs-with-SW21 to the legacy receivers.

So, either 82 or 91 (or some of each) may be present on the coax to the 9200, depending on what the tuners request. There's no specific "82 here, 91 there" assignment. The satellites appear where needed on the cable, and what goes where is adjusted dynamically as needed.

That's probably more than anyone ever wanted to know about DishProPlus :)

thanks for the great explanation....so in essence it doesn't matter if i connect the sat1 cable coming out of the separator to say sat2 input on the ird input... so either way i am correct? do you see anything wrong with the way i want to tune my dish? i just thought instead of taking the more expensive ird up to tune..i should just take the 3100 up there...and run 1 cable from the dpp twin lnb to the 3100..get my 91deg sat tuned in..then switch the signal meter screen to the 82deg. would make things easier don't you think?

If you don't want to buy a signal meter then I would highly recommend draging the 3100 instead of the 9200.

If you have a legacy lnb it might work out easier to at least get 91 aimed properly and then swap in the DPP twin. The only thing I am unsure of is when you start to use the DPP twin you need to run a check switch.

Did you already have the 3100 and dish mounted? If so.........I would changed your skew to what is suggested for your city which you said you already did.........and then adjust to maximize 91 with legacy in place as stated above.......then swap out and do check switch and then tweak to compromise 91 and 82.

Joe

I have just purchased the 9200 reciever. I am using a Sw44 switch and running four recievers from it. I only have a single cable run to each location including the location of the 9200. I bought a signal separator from a Bell World store to run two cables into the 9200. However I am constantly getting messages that my 'switchbox is not working correctly' and that I am losing the signal because of this. The signal separator is not the dish network model that Ken showed in his diagrams and I think this may be the problem. Has anyone experienced the same problem? Does anyone know where to buy the DPP signal separator in the Toronto area?

Chief.

You cannot use the DishProPlus separator with the SW44. You must have a completely DishProPlus-compatible system in place to use a separator. For four receivers, that means a DishPro or DPP twin LNB, a DPP44 switch, and a separator at the DPP-capable dual tuner receivers like the 9200.

I am currently running a 6120 receiver off two dishes (I needed the second dish placed about 8' away from the 91 dish to get a better view of 82), and the two LNB's are running to a SW21, and I have a single 200' run to my house.

I have ordered a 9220, and would like to minimize the additional cable runs because of the distance from the dish location to the house. I understand one option is to run the 2 LNBs from the 91 dish plus the 2 LNBs from the 82 dish into a SW44 at the dish location, and then run a second RG6 run into the house and to the 9220, or I could use the second SW21 at the dish to drive the second RG6 connection.

Is there a way to use the DPP stacking technology with two discrete dishes, two physical LNB's so that I don't need the second RG6 run?

If not, and I go the SW44 route at the dishes, will running the power out to the SW44 on one of the RG6 lines to the house be a problem? Will the SW44 be OK to drive 200'?

Is there a way to use the DPP stacking technology with two discrete dishes, two physical LNB's so that I don't need the second RG6 run?

The way this may work is if you use a DPP-Twin Lnb on one dish and use a DP-Dual on the second and feed the dual into the twin LNB-In. The problem I can possibly see here is the second eye on the twin seeing either 82/91 or just plain wreaking havoc.

The way this would work and the way I have mine setup is to use two Dp-Duals and a DPP44 switch. The DPP44 will allow you to feed four receivers, including dual tuners like the 9200. You just need the separator at the 9200 to separate the signal to the two tuners.

The downside to the DPP44 is it is expensive at about $180 USD unless you can find a deal somewhere.

Alt

Are you planning on keeping the 9220 and 6100?

If yes.........then you need to run more than one line.

If no.........then if you get a DPP switch and DP or DPP lnb's and if the switch is capable of being mounted outside it is possible to use 2 dishes and run one cable into the house for the 9200.

Alt idea of going into the dpp twin may work but I've not read anything on what happens if you are getting the 82 bird twice. Covering up the portion of the lnb which is used for getting the 82 bird may work however I have my doubts.

Joe

The way this may work is if you use a DPP-Twin Lnb on one dish and use a DP-Dual on the second and feed the dual into the twin LNB-In. The problem I can possibly see here is the second eye on the twin seeing either 82/91 or just plain wreaking havoc.


Alt

Thanks for the suggestions.

If the first dish with the Twin is not skewed (or if I used a non-skew 18" dish pointed at 91), why is there a risk that the second LNB would see 82? Is there skew built into the LNB mount?

the 18" does not use a Y yoke so the twin will not fit there.

I guess it might be possible to alter your skew so you do not receive 82.

I don't think you will have a definative answer until you try.

i am hoping that somebody can help me with my situation. i currently have a 3100 and a 2700 setup on an 18" dish that came with the 3100 back in 2003.

i would like to replace the 2700 with a 9200. when its all done, i would like to have one line running from the dish to the 3100 and a line running from the dish to a 9200.
i have done a bunch of research both on this site and ebay and believe that i have found that i need the following items.

a dish plus pro twin lnb and a dish plus pro separator to split the RG6 line to the 9200.

now, i will need a y bracket for the dish plus pro twin lnb. the brackets all appear to have rectangular ends where it would attach to the arm. my arm has an arc on the top which leads me to believe that the y bracket will not fit. as a result of that, aside from the bracket, the lnb and the separator, it would appear that i will also need a new dish.

can anyone advise if i am on the right track?

corey,

you are on right track. When you buy a 9200 it will come with a new 20" dish and the y bracket etc.

I would just take off 18" dish and put on the 20" dish.

Other than that.......you got what you needed. A DPP twin lnb and a separtor.

Joe

thanks a bunch. now, will i be able to purchase a 9220 package being an existing customer. or will bell pull one of their classic moves and tell me that i have to sign up for a new account if i want HD.

and further to my last post, by doesn't bell just provide the dish plus pro equipment? wouldn't it be much easier for everyone?

you will only be able to buy a 9200 which is the same as the 9220 in this case.

yes it would be easier if Bell sold DPP equipment.

you will only be able to buy a 9200 which is the same as the 9220 in this case.

yes it would be easier if Bell sold DPP equipment.

It would be easier but likely more expensive than you can find on ebay!

No doubt!

They sell dual lnb's for like $70. You can get those off ebay with shipping and everything for less than $20.

Hello
I currently have a 9200, 5100, and 6100. I have an SW44 switch with one line running to the 5100 and 6100, and 2 lines running to the 9200. I now want to add an additional 3100, but I'm not clear on how to do this. From what I have read so far, I think I need to get a second SW44 (without switching to the DPP equipment).
I read this in another thread: "All 4 cables from the lnbs go into one SW44. Then 2 outputs from the same SW44 go into the second SW44. So you have 2 outputs available from the first SW44 and 4 outputs available from the second" Does this configuration work?
Are there any other alternatives that could make use of SW21 switches for what I want to do, as I have 2 sitting at home? I also have what I believe is a digital splitter (2 inputs in, four out), which I used before I got my 6100 receiver. It says it is a "voltage converter". I'm just wondering if any of this equipment can be re-used. Thanks for any help you can give me.

Hi guys, just installed a 9200 from Bell. For some reason I cant get my second tuner to work. I get both 91 and 82 signals on tuner 1 but zilch on tuner 2. I have the in the box 2 dual lnbfs, sw44, power inserter. I have two lines running into my house one two tuner 1 one two tuner 2. I have my 92 lines to 1A and 1B and the 82 lines to 2A and 2B from the lnbs to the inputs of the sw44, outputs to tuner 1 and tuner 2 but no signal for tuner 2. The power inserter is in the tuner 1 line. When I do a check switch it shows for sat 1 all good for 91 and 81 with a status of reception verified and a switch of sw44 but for sat 2 status it shows reception error and none for the switch box.

I cant understand this everything works fine on that one tuner, getting signals from both birds and channels in high def and regular. I only have two cables coming into the house but that should be fine for just running the 9200 right.

I appreciate everyone taking the time to read this, thanks in advance.

Hi guys, just installed a 9200 from Bell. For some reason I cant get my second tuner to work. I get both 91 and 82 signals on tuner 1 but zilch on tuner 2. I have the in the box 2 dual lnbfs, sw44, power inserter. I have two lines running into my house one two tuner 1 one two tuner 2. I have my 92 lines to 1A and 1B and the 82 lines to 2A and 2B from the lnbs to the inputs of the sw44, outputs to tuner 1 and tuner 2 but no signal for tuner 2. The power inserter is in the tuner 1 line. When I do a check switch it shows for sat 1 all good for 91 and 81 with a status of reception verified and a switch of sw44 but for sat 2 status it shows reception error and none for the switch box.

I cant understand this everything works fine on that one tuner, getting signals from both birds and channels in high def and regular. I only have two cables coming into the house but that should be fine for just running the 9200 right.

I appreciate everyone taking the time to read this, thanks in advance.

I took the wire out of tuner 2 just now and plugged it into my 5100 on another tv and it works fine. I just dont understand I am running my 9200 and 5100 out of this sw44 now which is two recievers, why couldnt my 9200 act as two receivers via the two tuners.