: 9200 / 9242 / 9241 Installation 101



Jeffy
2005-10-14, 02:38 PM
"...obsolescence is always just a few years away!"

Heck, I even put conduits into my house (basement to various rooms) to 'future-proof' it. But that half-inch conduit isn't large enough for all the coax required by the 9200. So I had to punch some holes in the floor in places and bypass the already-full embedded conduit... Ya can't win for trying.

Sharkson
2005-10-14, 03:36 PM
"...obsolescence is always just a few years away!"

Heck, I even put conduits into my house (basement to various rooms) to 'future-proof' it. But that half-inch conduit isn't large enough for all the coax required by the 9200. So I had to punch some holes in the floor in places and bypass the already-full embedded conduit... Ya can't win for trying.
Jeffy:

Yeah, I had the builder put in the same conduit (4" in my case). Unfortunately, it was put in an inaccessible place and I can't find it in my attic. D'oh!

Jeffy
2005-10-14, 06:02 PM
4-inch conduit !!! You'd better find it and make sure it isn't leaking warm air into your attic from the lower end (conduits need to be reasonably well air sealed*).

(*R2000 - The Better Built House... blah blah blah... ;-) )

SmokeyRay
2005-10-18, 02:30 PM
I'm upgrading to HD and have the been put off by Bell for a few weeks on hte 9220 ( 9200 + dish)

I'm an existing customer, I have an old system (2700 receiver and dish that came with it).

I have located a 9200 receiver, but no install kit or dish. I see in this thread the bits I need to do this install.....

But where can I find a dish that will work? And what would the specs be on said dish?

tia

Smokey

DeadmanInc
2005-10-18, 02:40 PM
Man this is a long thread!

Anyway's, I just recieved my 9200 yesterday (re-labeled 9220) and I'm a bit confused as to whether or not I need to use the SW44. Here's my setup.

I have a single LNB (dual port) connected to one receiver in my bedroom and one in my basement.

My plan is to move the 3100 from my basement to my bedroom, put the 9200 in the basement and put the 2700 in storage (only have 2 TV's). Then add the extra LNB to my dish and run that extra wire to the 9200.

Will this work? Thanks.

ken0042
2005-10-18, 02:53 PM
Smokey, Deanman; both of you would be fine with example #3 at the start of the thread.

The only thing I would suggest if you live in Western Canada, is to use the dish that came with the 9200 package and aim it at 82, and use your existing dish for the 91 satellite.

sebrous
2005-10-19, 07:50 PM
I dont know if this question has been aswered but can the sw44 switch be installed outside or i need to run 4 cables inside my house and then run cables to my receivers.

shepP
2005-10-20, 08:23 AM
Quick question.

Is their anything wrong with this logic? Hooking up one output from 91 lnb to tuner 1 and 1 output from 82 lnb to tuner 2 (bypassing sw44 switch)? The reason I'm doing this is to try and get a signal on 82. I got 91 fine, but can't get 82. I'm now thinking it might just be bad lnb out of the box. So if this logic is fine I'll switch lnbs.

thanks,

Scott

supergenius
2005-10-20, 08:25 AM
I dont know if this question has been aswered but can the sw44 switch be installed outside or i need to run 4 cables inside my house and then run cables to my receivers. It can be installed outside. I would recommed placing it in a relatively dry/protected place if possible.

Q
2005-10-20, 12:39 PM
Quick question.

Is their anything wrong with this logic? Hooking up one output from 91 lnb to tuner 1 and 1 output from 82 lnb to tuner 2 (bypassing sw44 switch)? The reason I'm doing this is to try and get a signal on 82. I got 91 fine, but can't get 82. I'm now thinking it might just be bad lnb out of the box. So if this logic is fine I'll switch lnbs.

thanks,

Scott


Yes........there is a problem with doing that. You will only have odd or even transponders on each satellite.

shepP
2005-10-20, 01:46 PM
mm maybe that would explain why I was getting signal on 91 with t-11 and not with 82. Does something happen at the tuner section and it removes either the odd or even? Or does one output on an lnb have the odd and the other even? I'll have to try an even transponder I guess... Which even transponders would be active?

thanks,

Scott

Q
2005-10-20, 02:12 PM
Some transponders don't work at all on 82.

I am not sure what happens at the tuner section as I have never set it up that way.

You would have to setup a legacy quad/ twin or DP twin /quad or a DPP twin to run 2 lines. If you are using dual lnb's you will need a switch.

shepP
2005-10-20, 02:18 PM
Sorry, I should have mentioned I have all 4 lines and the sw44 I'm just bypassing and using 2 of four lines to troubleshoot. I want to make sure I've got both 91 and 82 before I hook them back into the switch.

Another stupid question. If I'm staring up into the sky as the dish would, which lnb is the 91 and which is the 82. I assumed based on the y connector that the one on my right was 82 and the left one is 91, however after doing some reading I'm not to sure...

Q
2005-10-20, 02:39 PM
I think it is imprinted on Y-bracket. I think if you are standing in front of your dish (lnb is closer to you) then 91 would be on your right.......i think.

NoBoB
2005-10-21, 01:32 AM
Quick question.

Is their anything wrong with this logic? Hooking up one output from 91 lnb to tuner 1 and 1 output from 82 lnb to tuner 2 (bypassing sw44 switch)? ...Yes........there is a problem with doing that. You will only have odd or even transponders on each satellite.That is not correct.

Connecting a receiver tuner input directly to the output of an LNB will yield both polarities, as the normal 13V/18V switching comes into play. In this particular case, one tuner would only see 82 and the other 91. Not sure how the 9200 will react to such a configuration, but you're not planning on leaving it that way anyway.

I believe joedoe is correct about the LNB positioning. The Dish500-style 20" dishes "cross" the LNB's, so that the western satellite (91) sits in the eastern slot of the Y. The Y-adapters are usually embossed, sometimes they say 110 and 119, but you get the point.

shepP
2005-10-21, 07:44 AM
FYI Update,

The 9200 is fine with 91 on tuner 1 and 82 on tuner 2 for signal tweaking purposes. The only problem I had was that 82 was set to t-11. As soon as I changed it to another transponder (9 if I recall correctly) all was good. I managed to tweak 91 to 98% and 82 to 91% (a personal best). Another good point from these threads is the longer wire required on the cable for the switches. This point saved me some frustration.

thanks,

Scott

Q
2005-10-21, 08:16 AM
sorry guys. Bad day yesterday and was thinking something completely different.

My apologies if I lead you down the wrong path. By the sounds of it........as a testing tool it worked fine for you.

shepP
2005-10-21, 08:32 AM
No worries Joe. You got me focused on the transponder issue, which I should have thought off as I vaguely remember having to change it my first 9200 install. You also confirmed the location of the lnb (which I should have just checked on my 1st dish).

thanks,

Scott

named
2005-10-21, 08:52 PM
[QUOTE=joedoe]Some transponders don't work at all on 82.

Which transponders don't work? I know 4 doesn't show at all.
I am showing 0 strength on #7,8,11,12,24,29 and 31.
I could have swore I aimed the dish by using #11 & 12.
I use seperate dishes for each satellite.

DeadmanInc
2005-10-22, 09:59 AM
FYI Update,

The 9200 is fine with 91 on tuner 1 and 82 on tuner 2 for signal tweaking purposes. The only problem I had was that 82 was set to t-11. As soon as I changed it to another transponder (9 if I recall correctly) all was good. I managed to tweak 91 to 98% and 82 to 91% (a personal best). Another good point from these threads is the longer wire required on the cable for the switches. This point saved me some frustration.

thanks,

Scott

I noticed you have done exactly what I'm looking to do. I've been looking through the manual for the 9200 and have come to the conclusion that each sat input on the reciever is for each LNB and not for a specific tuner (I may call Sky Dish to verify). so I'm wondering if you're having any problems watching and recording SD/HD with you reciever given the setup you've chosen?