Helped install one of these today. Was surprised that the box only included one LNB and no cables to run to the sw44. He is an existing customer so maybe new customers got all of the extras.

I think he may have gotten short changed... the box should have come with two LNB's: one with the antannea and another loose in the box.

For those looking to install the 9200/9220 some of the things the box does NOT include that you may want to think about if driving by a Home Depot:

- cabling (RG59/6 as well as grounding wire)
- F-connectors (you'll need LOTS of these)
- Lag bolts to mount the mast to the roof
- Caulking to seal lag bolts on roof
- Grounding rod
- Wire Ties
- Splitter to split TV2 output from receiver
- "Goo Gone" to remove that annoying Bell sticker

Actually one of the diagrams stated that the other LNB was "optional" or something like that, impyling it wasn't included.

So, we basically raped another dish he wasn't using.

That is strange James! I recceived two LNB's for both my 9200's, I think yours was short shipped.

Alt

Altaman,

How did the installs go with 2 dishes and the DPP equipment?

Joe

Altaman,

How did the installs go with 2 dishes and the DPP equipment?

Joe

Actually went very well! I am going to be changing out the 18" dish with one of my extra 20" ones today. But I got a 5% increase in signal strength on 82 by setting the 20" to just one satellite. But can tell you that the DPP-Twin works with the DP dual LNB on the second dish. I just disconnected the second cable from the DPP44 switch so it would not see the satellite.

What I am going to try today is first, get the 20" up for sat 91, use an "I" bracket to have the LNB centered. I am also going to switch out the DPP-Twin with a DP Dual LNB and use an "I" bracket on there as well. I would expect to get a further increase in signal power by having the LNB centered on the dish.

Alt - Who is never satisfied (at least that is what the wife tells me ;) )

Altaman wrote:
Alt - Who is never satisfied (at least that is what the wife tells me )
Wasn't it the Wife who said she was never Satisfied? :p

We have checked and double checked all of our connections. Any suggestions.

We receive both 82 and 91 signals.

But when we do a "check switch" test we get Reception Error under Satellite 2 input and Error message 530.

Is your connections to the SW44 correct? Both 91's on 1a and b and 82 on both 2a and b?

Well my two dish solution worked just as I had hoped in that I was able to increase the signal for sat 82. For the three transponders checked here is the results with one dish/two dish.

Tr1 (75/79), Tr11 (74/78), Tr32 (67/75)

Taking 91 off the 20" dish and putting it onto an 18" caused a fairly large drop in signal strength with with transponders. What was interesting was that there was no improvement at all with two of the three transponders when putting 91 onto a 20" dish of its own. Here are the results with one dish/18" dish/20" two dish.

Tr1 (73/64/73), Tr11 (93/85/93), Tr32 (69/69/77)

Kinda strange in my view that Tr32 did not change at all going from one dish to two dish 18". But the change to a 20" two dish caused a significant improvement for Tr32 but not the others. Makes me wish I had tested more transponders before I did the initial change. And no I will not switch it back and retest, before someone suggests it! ;)

At any rate, the results of my testing answered some questions I had!

1) You can use a DPP-Twin LNB with only one of the outputs and use a DP-Dual on a separate dish all being fed into a DPP44 switch with no problems whatever.

2) Signal strength can be improved for sat 82 by allowing it to have its own 20" dish.

3) The wife does have alot of patience in allowing me to test out my curiousity and reading out signals on transponders multiple times :cool:

Take care,

Alt

Yes. We have come to the conclusion that we may have a faulty SW44 switch. We are going to pick up a new one and see if that works!

tammi&jamie:

When I first installed a SW44 had had considerable problems getting everything working. I find the SW44 a finiky beast (much more so than the DPP44 switch) and can really try your patience if things don't go well the first time.

So if the other switch works (or doesn't) the same way here are my recommendations.

1) Have you tried switching cables? Does the problem stay on the same input or move? If it moves that says it is a cable/lnb problem.

2) Make sure that the copper conductors in the center of the cable are out far enough when feeding into the switch. I find that having the center conductor out about a 1/4" from the edge of the "F" connector is needed. Switches tend to need a little longer center conductor.

3) To clear out your receiver memory, unplug the SW44 power, disconnect the cable at the receiver and run a check switch. Next plug the cable back into your receiver and run a checkswitch without power to the switch. Finally plug power back into the switch and run a checkswitch again.

To bad you are in Ontario, if you were in Calgary, I would come over and help you out! I have a cable stripper, compression "F" connectors and compression tool and even a spare SW44!

Good luck,

Alt

Thanks Alt for the testing!

Did you just put aluminum type tape or duct tape on the 81 lnb on the twin?

Joe

Thanks Alt for the testing!

Did you just put aluminum type tape or duct tape on the 81 lnb on the twin?

Joe

Actually Joe I did it a very technical way....I disconnected the second cable :)

Alt

Actually Joe I did it a very technical way....I disconnected the second cable :)

Alt


Alt,

Something is being mis understood. The DPP twin carries both satellties on each output. By disconnecting one cable you have effectively not taken 82 out of the loop from the 20" dish with the DPP twin.

Am i missing something?

Alt,

Something is being mis understood. The DPP twin carries both satellties on each output. By disconnecting one cable you have effectively not taken 82 out of the loop from the 20" dish with the DPP twin.

Am i missing something?

You need two cables going into the DPP44, one is for sat 82 (both odd/even) and one for sat 91 (both odd/even). Remember that when you connect the DPP-Twin to the DPP44 it effectively makes it into a DP (no plus). This is also why you can not use the other input (to hook up another satellite) on the Twin as it becomes disabled. If you were feeding the twin straight into a reciever then you would be correct, but the DPP44 alters the equation.

Alt

You need two cables going into the DPP44, one is for sat 82 (both odd/even) and one for sat 91 (both odd/even). Remember that when you connect the DPP-Twin to the DPP44 it effectively makes it into a DP (no plus). This is also why you can not use the other input (to hook up another satellite) on the Twin as it becomes disabled. If you were feeding the twin straight into a reciever then you would be correct, but the DPP44 alters the equation.

Alt

I thought it was done differently. Let me ask this then. If one cable from the twin does carry 82 and 91 how does the switch know which to keep?

Ok here is a quote as per the Dishpro Plus Twin install guide:


The DISH Pro Plus Twin LNBF can be connected to a DISH Pro Plus 44 switch to provide 119W and 110W satellite signals to the switch. When used this way, LNBF PORT 1 will default to the 119W position and LNBF PORT 2 will default to the 110W position. The LNBF port marked LNB IN is not used and will not provide any signal to the switch. To complete this installation, install the DP Plus Twin LNBF first using these instructions, then install the DP Plus 44 Switch using instructions which come with the switch.

So as I was using the DPP44, all I did was take a look at my checkswitch and it said sat 91 was on port two and I disconnected the cable from the port. As I said connecting to the DPP44 switch changes the rules.

Alt

Ok here is a quote as per the Dishpro Plus Twin install guide:



So as I was using the DPP44, all I did was take a look at my checkswitch and it said sat 91 was on port two and I disconnected the cable from the port. As I said connecting to the DPP44 switch changes the rules.

Alt


Interesting. Well done finding that as well.

ok, i went to the big 9200 post to find this info, but i wanted to make double sure here... for the past few years i've run 2 satellite receivers to the same tv, a 3100 and 6000 (my own pip for the wife and I)... i believe about 2 years ago i had my dish upgraded when they added the extra satellite... so, my question is, when i get the 9200 (just drooling for it), do i need to do anything special besides taking my existing 2 lines and shoving them in the 9200? I'm hoping its as easy as that, and i dont require a dish upgrade...

sorry if this was answered elsewhere, but i didnt see this explicity posted!

your thoughts?

What kind of switch are you using?