: 9200 / 9242 / 9241 Installation 101
oskrypuch 2005-07-21, 07:11 PM clear the SW44 memory by disconnecting the feed(s) at the 9200 and re-running "Check-switch". It will fail.
Then re-connect the feeds, do a soft re-boot, and re-run Check-switch.
Thanks!
Ok, so cut the power to SW44, check switch (fail), soft reboot of the 9200, and re-run check switch.
Q. How do you soft reboot the 9200? Just power plug out?
Incidentally, how do you hard boot the 9200?
* Orest
Diamond 2005-07-21, 07:19 PM Hard boot is an unplug from the wall and a soft reboot is hold the power button on the front panel for about 8-10 seconds.
oskrypuch 2005-07-21, 07:31 PM Thanks, will do that shortly.
This is truly a superb forum. Hopefully in the not too distant future I can give back, by helping other folks here.
* Orest
oskry:
Don't cut the power to the SW44! Just disconnect your feeds into the 9200 AT the 9200, then run check-switch to clear.
Re-connect the feeds, re-boot (power button on receiver itself), and re-run check-switch.
oskrypuch 2005-07-21, 08:46 PM Ok, I did cut the power to the SW44 (in error), check switch showed the same result.
I soft rebooted the 9200, by holding the power button down while the system was OFF. After about 10 sec the screen flickered, power light came on for about 10 secs, and then went black. The unit was unresponsive to a power on by the front panel or the remote, and there was no picture. Tried a hard reboot, same thing. Then finally it came on when I held the power button down again. Had the same error message regarding the switch not being properly connected.
Is this the way it is supposed to react?
I'll try doing the correct procedure, leaving the power connected to the switch, but is that what you should expect from a soft (or hard) reboot. A long period of non-responsiveness?
*Orest
MrGrinch 2005-07-21, 10:06 PM I'll try doing the correct procedure, leaving the power connected to the switch, but is that what you should expect from a soft (or hard) reboot. A long period of non-responsiveness?
When I installed mine and needed to unplug or re-boot it took FOREVER to power up and would go directly to the "point dish screen". At least a 15 to 25 second wait before the black screen goes to the point dish screen.
oskrypuch 2005-07-21, 11:59 PM When I installed mine and needed to unplug or re-boot it took FOREVER to power up and would go directly to the "point dish screen". At least a 15 to 25 second wait before the black screen goes to the point dish screen.
OK, thanks, that is reassuring, off to try the correct procedure.
* Orest
oskrypuch 2005-07-22, 02:14 PM OK, left the SW44 connected to its power source boost.
Disconnected both sat feeds AT the 9200, ran check-switch, got an error message, no sat feeds, as expected.
Re-connected the feeds at the 9200, soft re-booted (power button on receiver itself x10sec), it rebooted after some 25 sec showing the no sat error message, went to Install/Point and re-ran check-switch.
I now get the SAME (errant?) thing on the summary screen:
Sat 1: Port 1: X X; Port2: 91 OK(green) and the same for Sat 2.
I again double checked that the 91 LNB was connected to the 1A & 1B positions, there is a good signal on those cables, and the 82 LNB still has the foil on it and no signal.
Clearly the info screen appears incorrect. Perhaps this is a bug in the 9200 firmware, and it won't display correctly (1ab -> 91; 2ab -> 82) until you have both satellites feeding it.
* Orest
I don't have 82 signal from my current location, so I moved the dish on the roof. Now I got 91 signal with wrong 82 lnb. What should I do, adjust the skew only or re-point the dish?
I am in Vancouver and skew angle is negative -22.9 according to Bell book.
If I need to adjust the skew only, standing behind the dish should I rotate CW or CCW?
Currently point dish reports 75% signal on 91 and no signal on 82.
Check switch reports X on port 1 and 91 on port 2 for both inputs.
Altaman 2005-07-22, 08:33 PM Well my DP LNB's (Not DPP) came in today :D
So if the weather is favorable tomorrow I will be trying my two dish install. Basically what I have right now is a 20" dish with the DPP-Twin LNB tuned to Satellite 91/82 connected to the DPP44 switch and a 18" dish mounted on the side of the house doing nothing (it is already set to 91).
What I want to do is take the 20" and tune it directly to 82 to get the strongest possible signal and not use the second (91) LNB eye and have the 18" tune directly to 91. What I am hoping is that:
A) The DPP44 will recognize only the 82 satellite and not the second LNB eye on the twin with only one cable connected.
B) The DP LNB will be connected to the 18" and connected to the DPP44 where as I am hoping that there is no confusion with the twin and the Single DP LNB.
C) If there is a problem with "B" above I will remove the DPP-Twin and put the second DP single LNB on the 20" dish. The DPP-Twin will then be kept for future use if needed.
D) If "B" above does work, then the second DP LNB will be stored for future use if needed.
I will let you all know what happens and provide a before/after signal strength (which I will try to keep the time as close as possible incase of weather changes).
Alt
I think the dual DP lnbs may work but not sure about the DPP twin.
Let us know.
Joe
Altaman 2005-07-22, 10:16 PM Oh I am positive the DP's will work...would like to know if I can use the twin with the dual though, save changing LNB's on one dish and I am the curious sort :)
Alt
Fox422 2005-07-22, 10:58 PM I don't have 82 signal from my current location, so I moved the dish on the roof. Now I got 91 signal with wrong 82 lnb. What should I do, adjust the skew only or re-point the dish?
I am in Vancouver and skew angle is negative -22.9 according to Bell book.
If I need to adjust the skew only, standing behind the dish should I rotate CW or CCW?
Currently point dish reports 75% signal on 91 and no signal on 82.
Check switch reports X on port 1 and 91 on port 2 for both inputs.
Skew is not enough. I had the same problem. And I used the azimut/elevation/skew from the manual. Bingo I got 91 with lnb 82... Corrections (aprox) were azimut+10 degrees CCW and elevation + 5 degrees higher. But depends where you are.
Skew is not enough. I had the same problem. And I used the azimut/elevation/skew from the manual. Bingo I got 91 with lnb 82... Corrections (aprox) were azimut+10 degrees CCW and elevation + 5 degrees higher. But depends where you are.
Thanks Fox422. Few more questions:
Vertical +5 degrees up - will do that.
Azimut +10 degrees to the west or to the east? I am in Vancouver and I think it should be rotated to the west.
Did you keep skew the same or after finding 91 with correct lnb you should still play with the skew to find 82?
Did you get green signal on both 91 and 82 when it is correctly set, or it still says wrong sat 91 when checking for 82?
Altaman 2005-07-23, 08:55 AM CSKA: I just did a check of my system and sat 82 is on port 1 and sat 91 is on port two on a DPP44 switch. So I guess it begs the question, does it really matter whether 82 goes to #1 or #2
Also from Calgary the skew is set by rotating (skew) so the dish is tilted towards the east (clockwise) when you are facing the front of the dish. This will be the same in Vancouver, just your skew will be more than here. If you have the strongest signal you can get on 91 by adjusting Elevation, Azmith then start looking for 82 by adjusting the skew. For a visual idea of the skew, my dish looks like the top of the dish is pointing around 10:00 - 10:30. Yours will look to be a little more than mine, probably 9:30 - 10:00.
I get between 76-78% on transponder #11 on sat 82 with a clear blue sky, which is about the strongest transponder on this satellite. You might want to use this transponder to find 82. The trick after 82 is found is to get the optimum point where you get the best possible signal with the two satellites.
Alt
Fox422 2005-07-23, 05:22 PM Thanks Fox422. Few more questions:
Vertical +5 degrees up - will do that.
Azimut +10 degrees to the west or to the east? I am in Vancouver and I think it should be rotated to the west.
Did you keep skew the same or after finding 91 with correct lnb you should still play with the skew to find 82?
Did you get green signal on both 91 and 82 when it is correctly set, or it still says wrong sat 91 when checking for 82?
What you can do is put some aluminium paper on lnb 82 (so you'll know that what ever signal you get comes from lnb 91) after that you concentrate on finding only 91. When you get 98-100% whith transponder 11, after that take the aluminium paper off 82 and play with the skew and you will get 82 (with lnb 82...) Don't hope to get 100% whit this one. But what I wanted to tell you with the degrees and azimut is that from my pov, the numbers in the bev 9200 manual are not that precice... You can expand a bit more your search... With my old 3100 and old dish, the numbers were almost exacts but not in this case.
Hi,
Great thread!
I have an exisiting 18" Dish and 3100 receiver. I know I need to run 1 more additional cable in the house for the 9200. My question is: Can I simply note the current position of the 18" and then replace it with the 20" at the same Azumouth (spell?)
Basically, a pro installed my 18" and I dont want to pay for another to replace my 20". But I'm not sure HOW to setup the dish (compass, elevation, etc). Can I cheat and copy the angles of my existing 18" before I take it down?
Thanks Guys for helping a newb. :(
Orpo:
Yes, your 18" is pointing directly at sat91 so use a felt marker to indicate postioning. Make sure the mast is perfectly vertical, then set skew to the figure in your manual. Good luck!
Orpo:
Yes, your 18" is pointing directly at sat91 so use a felt marker to indicate postioning. Make sure the mast is perfectly vertical, then set skew to the figure in your manual. Good luck!
Thanks Enzo!
So basically, just make the same position on the new mast and make sure it's vertical with a level and I should be in business?! :confused:
MrGrinch 2005-07-25, 05:31 PM Not sure if you are saying this but the other thing you could probably get away with (worked on my 9200) is to just use the mast that is already in place. With mine I just loosened the bolts and slipped the old antannae off and then slipped put the new one on. Avoided having to drill a whole bunch more holes into my roof...
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