: 9200 / 9242 / 9241 Installation 101



Crispy
2005-07-20, 09:06 AM
sbabcock,

http://www.solidsignal.tv/dishpro_installation.asp

Crispy

twilson
2005-07-20, 02:23 PM
Hi,

Great to see all this info in one place. I haven't been able to find an answer to my question.

I got my 9200 setup today and it works fine on TV1. My question is about the connection to my 2nd TV. I'd like to use RCA cables over coax as the picture and sound are much better. How far can you run RCA cables before the signal dies? I've read somewhere here that s-video often degrades over a certain distance. I know i'll have to probably use extenders to connect two cables as well since my local radioshack doesn't carry that long a cable.

Luckily my 9200 is almost right above the second tv in the basement so I'll be drilling a hole and running it down. It shouldn't be longer than 15 - 20 ft.

Appreciate the help!

NoCarrier
2005-07-20, 02:34 PM
Hi,

Great to see all this info in one place. I haven't been able to find an answer to my question.

I got my 9200 setup today and it works fine on TV1. My question is about the connection to my 2nd TV. I'd like to use RCA cables over coax as the picture and sound are much better. How far can you run RCA cables before the signal dies? I've read somewhere here that s-video often degrades over a certain distance. I know i'll have to probably use extenders to connect two cables as well since my local radioshack doesn't carry that long a cable.

Luckily my 9200 is almost right above the second tv in the basement so I'll be drilling a hole and running it down. It shouldn't be longer than 15 - 20 ft.

Appreciate the help!

That place is selling 25 foot RCA cables.

http://www.teptronics.com/ts1325g.html

So I think you will be fine.

ken0042
2005-07-20, 02:41 PM
I have gone 60 feet without issues with the dollar store RCA's in 20 foot lengths patched togerther.

Westcoaster
2005-07-20, 02:44 PM
Was my 9200 supposed to come with 2 Dual LNBF's?

This link seems to indicate that!

http://www.kusat.com/go.php?path=/ev/9220.php

supergenius
2005-07-20, 02:46 PM
Yes, there should be one in with the dish and another loose in the larger box (beside the sw44 box).

Westcoaster
2005-07-20, 02:49 PM
Yes, there should be one in with the dish and another loose in the larger box (beside the sw44 box).

Thanks, I am heading home at lunch to check, I only saw the one loose in the big box, but didn't check inside the box containing the dish...

Al

alstein
2005-07-20, 04:43 PM
Everything is there except the extra RG6 cable you will need to feed the second tuner. Basically right now you have one cable coming from each LNB to feed your 6000 going most likely to a SW21. What you are going to need is additional cable going from the second output of each LNB to the SW44. You will also need to remove the cable from the SW21 and connect it to the SW44.

Now when you get these all hooked up, if you plan on still using the 6000, you will have to run a check switch without any cabling connected to clear out the old switch info. You then connect the cable and run the check switch again. The SW44 will allow you to feed both 9200 tuners and two other receivers.

Alt

HI,

I finally picked up the 9200. here is the situation. Currently I have a 6000 receiver which I do NOT plan to use. I am replacing it with the 9200. I also have a 4700 receiver in another room which also feeds a signal to a third tv. I checked my satellite earlier today. Therer are 2 SW21's which each have a single coax running to each of the receivers. I am in an apartment, so running long lengths of cable from the dish will not be easy. Is there any simple way for me to connect the 9200 receiver in the place of my 6000 receiver without running a second co-ax from the dish? if not, then I will definely get an installer to handle this.

Thanks
Aron

ken0042
2005-07-20, 05:30 PM
Is there any simple way for me to connect the 9200 receiver in the place of my 6000 receiver without running a second co-ax from the dish?

See the first post in this thread. It describes how to connect it with one coax. Of course, you will need to buy additional hardware.

Westcoaster
2005-07-20, 05:53 PM
Thanks, I am heading home at lunch to check, I only saw the one loose in the big box, but didn't check inside the box containing the dish...

Al

Phew! It's there, I hate having to go back to get missing parts!

BTW, does anybody know if the SW44 that comes with the kit can be cascaded?

Thanks

North_of_Calgary
2005-07-20, 06:02 PM
...My question is about the connection to my 2nd TV. I'd like to use RCA cables over coax as the picture and sound are much better. How far can you run RCA cables before the signal dies? I've read somewhere here that s-video often degrades over a certain distance. I know i'll have to probably use extenders to connect two cables as well since my local radioshack doesn't carry that long a cable...

I go hundreds of feet through walls using coax with F-to-RCA connectors on the wall plates. Right now I'm using it for component instead of composite. Still works fine - I can't notice a degradation and it's all RG6 behind the walls. Give it a try, but I would imagine that the signal will be fine.

Discussed thouroughly in this thread:

http://www.digitalhomecanada.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20748&highlight=longest

NoCarrier
2005-07-20, 08:58 PM
I would like to thank everyone who helped me with the installation tips. I installed the second LNB and the SW44 without any problems. I found 91 and 82 the first time. I almost cried, usually, it never works the first time for me. :)

My signal on 82 for TP 11 is between 78% and 80% is that good enough? I don't want to have problems when it rains..

Thanks guys..

supergenius
2005-07-20, 09:06 PM
I would say anything over 70% for 82 is fine.

Mark Oliver
2005-07-21, 01:04 PM
I would say anything over 70% for 82 is fine.

Bell wants you to have 75% on both before they activate a new receiver.

Crispy
2005-07-21, 01:45 PM
Well,

Just received and installed my DPP Twin and DPP Separator.

Very impressive and improved my signal strength over my aging Legacy Twin.

It also allowed me to remove a line into my house to clean things up.

Crispy

Caatnap
2005-07-21, 03:57 PM
I have just completed the installation of the second line into my 9200 and the addition of the SW44 switch. Previously I had a direct line running to the DirecPC PCI card in my computer and there were no problems. Now the incoming line is from the output of the SW44 switch and I am getting no signal strength at the computer. It seems that the software cannot separate the signal it needs from the combined signal although it is there with adequate strength as seen on my HDTV. Is this a matter of drivers, software or must there be a single direct line to get things operational again.

oskrypuch
2005-07-21, 04:10 PM
Hey, what's new. <g>

I've read through all these messages, and the docs that came with the 9200. I'm moving from the 5200 pvr non-hd (single sat) to the 9200 -- so I'm new to dual sat.

Exchanged the dishes on the mount, making sure it was still square, put aluminum foil on the 82 LNB, used the Kusat numbers for my location (Brantford Ontario: 189true, 40elev, 95skew) found a good strong signal on 91 with a signal checker, ran down did a check switch.

It shows Reception ERROR with port1: X X; port 2 blank.

I double checked that there was still a signal, double checked the switch to LNB wiring. I have the wires from the 91 LNB hooked up to port 2.

I understand that 91 is supposed to come in on Port 2. This confused me intially as the -Dish- network satellites are exactly backward, the satellite that comes in on the 91's LNB position on the Dish network (sat 119) goes to port 1 of the SW44. I understand that sat 91 goes to port 2?

I had initially had them backwards and nothing seemed to make sense.

Or do I have it wrong, is 91 supposed to go to port #1? I presume that it doesn't matter where the "odd" and "even" wires go, these don't seem to matter in any diagram I've seen.

Any thoughts?

* Orest

Diamond
2005-07-21, 04:49 PM
If you are running all four wires to the SW44, put the two 91's on 1a and 1b and the 82's on 2a and 2b. Also make sure that the power plugs into port one which goes to the receiver.

oskrypuch
2005-07-21, 05:29 PM
If you are running all four wires to the SW44, put the two 91's on 1a and 1b and the 82's on 2a and 2b. Also make sure that the power plugs into port one which goes to the receiver.

Ok, did that, swapped the 2 pairs of LNB outs, now 91 is connected to port 1. Hmm, got a signal on 91 at the receiver now -- it's working now. Thanks!


But the odd thing now is that the check switch shows:

Port1: X X; Port2: 91 OK

Shouldn't 91 be showing on Port1 ?? The LNB 91 is connected to Port 1 as you suggested.


I do not have 82 up yet, but I think that is likely a pointing issue (no signal at the dish with the DBS signal tester) that will just need a bit of fiddling.


This is what originally steered me wrong:

Reading from pg I-25 of the 9200 guide:

"Connect the cables labeled '82' leading from the satellite dish to each 'Dish 1' input on both SW21 multi-dish switches. Next, connect the cables labeled '91' leading from the satellite dish to each 'Dish 2' input on both SW21 multi-dish switches."


I extrapolated that 'Dish 1' input on the SW21 meant Port 1 on the SW44 - obviously that is wrong.


However, the check switch result seems to be wrong -- although I have a picture from 91 somehow.

* Orest

enzo
2005-07-21, 07:01 PM
clear the SW44 memory by disconnecting the feed(s) at the 9200 and re-running "Check-switch". It will fail.

Then re-connect the feeds, do a soft re-boot, and re-run Check-switch.