Rgers is not losing large. They have aquired Fido and Sprint Canada and own a percentage of Cogeco and want to buy them outright. They are not in a financial problem at all.

obviously, you aren't very well versed in the business...Fido was losing money like crazy, was protected under a chapter 13 in order to restructure, continued their money losing ways, and was waiting to be bought out before going bankrupt once and for all...it was only a matter of time, Fido NEVER made any money and its losses were staggering near the end...Call-Net (aka Sprint Canada) is another money losing company that will do little for Rogers in the "profit" department, at least for some time...i can't comment about Cogeco, because i am not very familiar with them...purchasing Fido made sense, their GSM platform allowed a "seamless" customer migration, to help increase their market share, and they would no longer have to compete with them (with plans like CityFido, etc)...and Call-Net presents an opportunity for Rogers to deploy some VoIP product earlier as they will now have a landline customer base to help target...so while these business aquisitions were smart for the long term, it still puts a financial strain on the company in the short term.

BEV is in no different shape eother. BEV has to start offering new channels or they will lose customers. I know you are such a pro-BEV supporter but is it right to not offer your 2 million customers the new channels that your competitors on cable are offering or is that a moot point?
first off, i am not a PRO-BEV supporter...i simply state facts, and present the "other side" of the arguement...i know BEV has its faults and shortcomings, but other providers have their as well too.

it is difficult to tell how BEV as a department is doing financially, as BCE lists its financial results as a whole entity (not each business unit).

Rogers as a whole, lost $13 million on revenues of $1.7 billion last year...in contrast, BCE had a profit of $1.6 billion on revenues of $19.2 billion...while $13 million isn't a TON of money to a large corporation, going a whole year, and failing to make anything, let alone LOSE money, is certainly not "sustainable" for long periods of time.

the channel discussion has been mentioned many times in here...there simply isn't enough capacity to add EVERY single channel that every other carrier has...over the next year, BCE will be putting most of its financial resources into IP, in hopes of launching its IPTV service late this year, or early next year...the growth of the industy is in IP, not in satellite.

if you look at DTV in the US, they are going to have something like 14 satellites and offering over 1500 channels (with something like 1000 of them being HD) by 2007...don't expect that type of "offering" from any canadian company, because that type fo investment simply can not be sustained...it would simply be too costly to implement, and the revenues for such an offering here, would be too low to even pay for the satellites, let alone the rest of the cost of providing the service itself.

the channel discussion has been mentioned many times in here...there simply isn't enough capacity to add EVERY single channel that every other carrier has...over the next year, BCE will be putting most of its financial resources into IP, in hopes of launching its IPTV service late this year, or early next year...the growth of the industy is in IP, not in satellite.


So you are saying that BEV is going to do little or nothing with respect to their satellite business? I also read that BCE wants to buy Shaw Communications, which I believe would also include *C?

As a consumer is it worthwhile to invest in hardware if we have no hopes of getting much in the way of new channels? Don't take this as an anti-BEV, but should a person invest more of their money if BEV is sorta going to ignore their Satellite business and focus on IPTV? Where does this leave the people that have and want satellite?

Alt

No, no. By no means is BEV going to stop picking-up new programming.
DJ is just saying there is going to be a lot of concentration from BCE on iptv as it is a better investment for the company and makes more sense in the long run. (They can offer more channels without the huge cost of throwing a bir into space) I imagine that eventually anyone who has express-vu will be able to convert their receivers into iptv with BCE (or something similar). IPTV is going to have limitations as well (based on distance from a CO) much as sympatico does, so I cannot see them getting rid of BEV andy time in the near to midrange future.


Nem, who loves the BEV

So the downfall here is, you don't get what the competition is offering in channels, and won't get them because of capacity issues with the satellites already in orbit. And if you go a route deemed "illegal" to get what you want then you are a thief. You invest in the satellite company's hardare, and then it is pointless to leave and jump to cable and have this useless hardware sitting around. No point in reselling it because it makes no sense for the buy to buy a used IRD anymore.
Sort of lke look what they have and you ain't gettin it so too bad.
Best thing to happen is that your IRD competely burns out...cannot be brought back to life and then it is useless and you can head to cable.
I want the porn channels..yes I am a degenerate and that is why they have those channels out there. BEV won't carry them and so now what to do.
BCE will now put less resources into BEV and more to IPTV and again, the word is "eventually" it would be integrated into one service. But until then, IPTV will end up offering what BEV doesn;t carry and then what? A miniscule million pissed off BEV customers who are getting the shaft.

wtf??
that's not what anyone is saying. noone said they were putting less money into BEV. Just because they aren't investing in porn channels, does not mean they won't be adding new channels. They will be adding channels that will give the best bang for the buck and make the most customers happy.
They are taking the route of pleasing most of their customers, most of the time.
Bev had more porn channels a few years ago, but had to take them off because people complained.
I'm sorry that you can't get the channels you want, but unfotunately as pt barnum once said, you can't please all of the people all of the time.

Nem, who quotes random circus owners

It can't be HBOC (Hackers Beware channel and it was never HBO-C) as this would only be seen with Hacked cards, not regular subbed cards.


I have a cardless 6100 and I had HBOC on my guide.

I want the porn channels..yes I am a degenerate and that is why they have those channels out there. BEV won't carry them and so now what to do.
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You have options. Depending on where you live, you can choose Star Choice, Rogers or Shaw.

I went with Bell Expressvu for the sole reason of NHL Center Ice. I wanted hockey and they were my best bet. My only options were no name cable, Bell or Star Choice.

Well I have to wait til July 2006 when I can drop BEV as I have a bundle contract. If I break it I have to pay $200 for each service i break.
When my computer fried on me back in March i had to still pay for my Sympatico even though I had no computer until late May. So I had to buy a new computer regardless or break the contract bundle and pay $200 for cancelling Sympatico. So i bought a new PC.
Recently my co-worker had to move seen as he got transferred to a farther away location. He moved into an aprtment and was not facing west but north. So he couldn't keep his BEV. Bell said he has 2 choices either break the contract and pay $200 or continue paying for a sub for another 14 months then the contract is over. Bell said it is too bad about where he moved to that he should have stayed where he was and there would not have been any problem. He chose to break the contract and pay the $200. Went to Rogers. Not sure on the deal they gave him there but he said it was a pretty good deal.

that doesn't make sense...you friend isn't telling you all the facts, OR you are making it up...if you move, and can't use the BEV service at your new address, you are able to break the contract without any penalty...in fact, shaner (one of the posters in here) was able to do that with his BEV AND sympatico service...so he broke two bundled services, and was not penalized as neither service was available where he moved to.

DJ and a few select others aside, there is so much Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt here that it would make a Porn Star gag! Here are just a few fool's gold nuggets I've mined from this thread:

If you want to see if a company is making money or not, read their Financials; either the annual report, or quarterly numbers. Don't assume that if you can buy another company that things are good.

If you watch a month's worth of Porn in a week, you have more pressing issues than a lack of programming choices...


I expect that when the channels open up as early as this November, based on that Quebec Constitutional Issue, we will see many, many more US and International Channels on all the carriers as bandwidth permits.


Finally, if more of you grey market/pirate Star Choice & BEV sat owners would pay for legit Canadian Sat signals, then our Canadian Sat Companies could afford to give us more of what we want...

If you watch a month's worth of Porn in a week, you have more pressing issues than a lack of programming choices...


My wife works nights... :D
Besides... BeV's selection is pretty limited... same movies over and over again, and no... I don't have any other issues. I guess BeV is at capacity. I would like to see some speciality channels gone to make room for more deserving and desirable programming. Fashion TV could be gone.

We could get Discovery Wings or another Speciality channel, or even more porn...

:rolleyes:

what makes discovery wings better than fashion tv?

keep in mind that what you think is a useless channel, others may get enjoyment out of so it's not really fair to say such things.

nem, who is pointing out the obvious

what makes discovery wings better than fashion tv?

More supersonic aircraft. :D

what makes discovery wings better than fashion tv?

Okay point taken.

Nemnoch... you are absolutley right. I just meant IMHO, there are some channels I would not mind losing to see others gained. Discovery Wings is of great interest to me. I could lose the Weather Channel, because I only need my local forecast.

I just sometimes wonder about the programming choices that's all. With limited capacity, and I do love my BeV, very much, I was wondering how they determine what they distribute.

It's all so Obscure to me.

Discovery Wings is of great interest to me.

Discovery Wings doesn't exist anymore. The channel recently changed formats and is now called The Military Channel. BEV does not carry The Military Channel which is owned by Discovery and is an American channel.

Okay point taken.

Nemnoch... you are absolutley right. I just meant IMHO, there are some channels I would not mind losing to see others gained. Discovery Wings is of great interest to me. I could lose the Weather Channel, because I only need my local forecast.

I just sometimes wonder about the programming choices that's all. With limited capacity, and I do love my BeV, very much, I was wondering how they determine what they distribute.

It's all so Obscure to me.
I believe it is all based on marketting surveys and viewer trends for geographical areas. That is one of the reasons foxnews was added instead of bloomburg.
I could be wrong of course. Some will argue that there are an overwhelming number of people on this board who would purchase bloomburg on bev were it available, but on the flipside one has to keep in mind that a: this is a small minority of bev customer and b: many of the people here are of like mind and interest, so it would not be a fair cross-section of the general populace.

nem, who made a point or something resembling one.

I believe it is all based on marketting surveys and viewer trends for geographical areas. That is one of the reasons foxnews was added instead of bloomburg.

I could be wrong of course.

I was under the impression that BEV has a capacity problem due to a lack of available transponder space. This excuse has often been used to explain why some additional channels that are requested cannot presently be carried.

true, but it is also why some channels are selected over others.

nem, who says there are always multiple answers for the same question.

SO I have pressing issues if i was to be watching a month's worth of porn in a week? Hmm ok what pressing issues would that be?
I m all for the new porn channels to be launched on BEV. I would sub to them for sure..hey I don't mind being looked at as a degenerate. :p :)

Let's see, BEV carries CNN, CNN Headline News, MSNBC (US), BBC World and EuroNews from Europe and CTVNewsNet, CBC NewsWorld. Why would any self-respecting Canadian want to watch FoxNews and it's twisted, dishonest, right-wing (should I add anti-Canadian and anti-European) slant? I'm sure that channel could have been better used by BEV.