When pointing bell dual he dish and I'm getting sat signal 82 on the lnb that is marked as the 91 spot does that mean I have to go more left or right?

Do the signals criss cross on a dual dish?

From behind you need to go right.

Yes they do.

If i am not mistaken you are also to high.....

Stupid question - just did an upgrade on a dish for a friend today. Installed new dish with 2 LNB's and 2 SW21s. Set the skew, found 91 then installed 82 LNB. Ran check switch, both receivers see the SW21 and reception is verified. However, when I am on the signal strength screen, the 91 sat has good reception by nothing on the 82 LNB.

Do the older receivers see any of the transponders on sat 82? The receivers in question are a 4700 and 4100. Any suggestions other than trying another LNB?

Not sure if this is still valid, see the threads below, you may be able to lock onto 15, 16

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=143144

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=138235&page=2
http://www.lyngsat.com/nimiq4.html

Still Valid, most TP's are not visible with SD receivers, no matter how old they are.

Thanks for the replies - puts my mind at ease

Hi,

I've been scanning around the forums for a few days trying to figure out my problem but haven't been able to. I've done as much troubleshooting as I can so now I need some help :) So here's my situation:

I recently got myself a 9241 receiver for Bell TV and purchased a new Dish online as I only had the old one without the skew and only one LNB. The new dish is a Dish 500 with twin dual output LNB and a built in SW21 switch.

For some reason I am unable to get Nimiq 82. I pointed the dish to 91 and got a signal of 90. I tried both outputs on the LNBs and can get good signal on either one for Nimiq 91 but none for 82.

When I run a check switch I get the following:

Satellite Input 1
Port: 1 2
Satellite: 91 82
Transponder: OK OK
Device: <blank>
Status: Reception Verified
Switch: Twin

Satellite Input 2
Port: 1
Satellite: 82
Transponder: X
Status: Reception ERROR
Switch: None

Sometimes, if I switch to the other LNB and re-check the switch I sometimes get 3 ports and it gives me a switch of scd-2p3

Today I ran a brand new RG6 cable with new connectors from the dish to the receiver and still have the same problem.

Is it possible that it's just that I'm not aimed right? I have enough sig on 91 that I would think I'd be able to at least get a bit on 82 to see that it's there. My skew is set at 106.2 (which is good for my location).

Any ideas?

Thanks
TheNerd

edit: changed second message for swtich on sat input 2

Use foil to cover the 82 side of the LNBF, then re-aim at 91. On a Dish, "Dish" 82 will be 110.

Ok I'll see what that does :)

so I can't get any tin foil to stay on the lnb right now. It's blowing a gale of wind. I'll have to try tomorrow when it's less windy.

So you're thinking it has to do with the the pointing of the dish? Since it has two sw21s built in to the dual lnb it shouldn't matter where I have the cable connected (on the lnb) right?

I am thinking you have 91 on the 82 side of the LNBF. Giving 73 on the 82 side, which is NOT a Bell bird.

It should be possible to check this by going to Signal Strength Screen and then put your hand over that side of the LNBF, see if the Signal goes.

Ok so I went out and tried. When I put my hand over the 82 side (right side looking from disk down the barrel to the lnb) it dropped a bit. Down to about 65. But when I covered the other side it dropped down to 0. I did touch the lnb when I first tried so I'm guessing that's why the signal dropped to 65. I'd say it's definitely got it's signal on the 91 side.

Looks like it's down to 82 consistently now. It may have moved a bit as it's extremely windy here lately.

Only other quick suggestion, remove Coax from rear of Receiver, run Check Switch, after it fails, put cable back on, run again.

If your LNBF, from the other Dish will fit one of the slots on the Dish 500, try that in each position.

I'll give the check switch a try once the wife gets done her show :rolleyes:. If that doesn't work I'll dig up my LNBF from the old dish and give it a go.

If I get 91 on the other lnbf and then just move it to the 82 spot it should pick it up right away, correct? I assume. that if I get both sat signals with the other LNBF then the "new" one I just picked up is likely defective?

So, in reply to my previous post, I was able to get this tested. It appears that the LNB (and SW21) that I bought is likely dead. I managed to get both 91 and 82 with a single LNBF. So the dish was pointed correctly. I've hooked up two LNBFs (as I had 2 spares).

Last I checked I had 80+ on 91 and 90 + on 82. I'm trying to get it running again now. It asked me to do a check switch and for some reason it shows everything ok but said I had fewer channels and wouldn't let me exit the check switch screen.

I don't really have a switch now as I have 2 separate cables running in to the receiver. Hopefully I can get it sorted out. I'm going to try unplugging the cables, running the check, etc...

Well I'm still not getting anywhere. The receiver still tells me there's a switch problem but I'm not using a switch. I'm running directly into the dish (maybe this isn't going to work.

I can see the HD VU Ondemand channels but the guide still only downloads the SD channels from 91. I'm not getting any guide info for the HD channels (other than the VU HD ones).

Any ideas?

Let me see if I have it straight. You have dish with two LNBs. You have one cable from each LNB going into your 9241. If that is true then one tuner will only receive SD channels and the other tuner will only receive HD channels.

Yes that is how I have it set up. I guess my question should have been... Do I absolutely need an SW21 in there? The reason I took out the dual LNB with the sw21, is because it couldn't get any signal on 82. As soon as I put 1 individual lnb on each side I was able to get sign on 82.

I though I could run it that way but sounds like that won't work. Let me see if I understand this... This is what I think I need

LNB1 - 91 > Cable to SW21
LNB2 - 82 > Cable to SW21

Then feed the SW21 to a dp plus separator which is connected to the receiver?

You need this (Including optional 2nd SW21):

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showpost.php?p=682397&postcount=3

You can't use a DPP separator with legacy LNBs.