Ok im starting to get very aggravated here. I can get 82 on 100% i tried going slightly down and to the right.

And the signal fades on 82, but it will never switch to 91. Will 82 completely disappear and show 91 with some percent signal? Will i have to run a check switch? Also like i said, if i put it on 82, and i can find 82 on 100%, i switch the satellite to 91, and it shows nothing.

EDIT: are there any transponders that are only used by 91 so i can narrow this down?

also when you guys say down and to the right, how many degrees are we talking here?

one thing that may be helpful is to have short cables coming out of the arm so that you can join your main cables to whichever lnb you want without having to pull the lnb's out to swap cables or attach a satfinder. and most importantly label those cables so that you know which ones go to the 91 lnb and which are going to the 82 lnb. then you can quickly swap connections to see if the receiver is telling you that you are picking up the correct satellite on the correct lnb. later you can easily attach a multiswitch or 2 right there at the dish. i'm just west of edmonton and settings here are 25 elevation and 72 skew but of course those numbers mean nothing if your mast isn't plumb. when you do finally get the 82 lnb picking up the 82 satellite, take a close look at the elevation marking on the side of the dish, many people make the mistake of lining up the bolt with the elevation marking instead of lining it up with the metal edge beside the bolt.

Have you done a Check Switch with NO cables on the rear of the receiver.? If not, do it now. It MUST fail. This should retrun the receiver to a negative state.

Also like i said, if i put it on 82, and i can find 82 on 100%, i switch the satellite to 91, and it shows nothing.

Unless you are doing the aiming using a switch, which is NOT advised, you will NOT see 91 degrees because all you have is 1 x LNBF aimed at 82 Degrees.

Have you set the Skew.?

EDIT: are there any transponders that are only used by 91 so i can narrow this down?

All transponders on 91 are active, 11 is about the most powerful.

also when you guys say down and to the right, how many degrees are we talking here?

I hope this does not sound to obvious but from 82 degrees to 91 degrees is 9 degrees.

Briefly;

Run a Check Switch, with NO input cables on the receiver.
Set the Skew of your Dish to match your location.
Run a single line from 82 LNBF, which is in the 82 lot on the "Y" yolk of the Dish, directly to the input of the receiver (NO switch's)
Peak the signal.
Install the 91 LNBF.
Install the switch.
Wire 1 line from 91 and 1 line from 82 into an SW21 switch (If you are using an SW44, see that thread for details of the correct installation)
Run a Check Switch.

You should now have both birds.

I hope this does not sound to obvious but from 82 degrees to 91 degrees is 9 degrees.
Yeah haha, i get that. I meant how much change in elevation?

you will NOT see 91 degrees because all you have is 1 x LNBF aimed at 82 Degrees.

But, if im on 82, and i have 82 100%, when i switch the satellite using the up/down arrows to 91, it should still say "wrong satellite 82 100%" no?

Ok so even though i dont have HD, and i dont care about 82, im going out today to buy an sw21 and another lnb so i can try the process you've outlined.

I was thinking about the line of sight thing, and the top of my garage may just be obstructing the very bottom of the dish, but maybe not, its that close. The peak of the garage roof is about 60 ft away. the top of the dish is definately clearing the garage. The funny thing is, one of my neighbours has his dish shooting through a gable on his house. He's got like 15% of the top of the dish clearing the gable, if that.

Did you run the check switch yet? Run it once with nothing connected, then run it again with the cable on.

Have you allowed the receiver to download software.?

Yeah haha, i get that. I meant how much change in elevation?
None - the skew setting compensates for the elevation difference between satellites.
But, if im on 82, and i have 82 100%, when i switch the satellite using the up/down arrows to 91, it should still say "wrong satellite 82 100%" no?
If you have a LNB in the 82 slot and have connected the receiver to that LNB via direct cable, there is no point "switch(ing) the satellite using the up/down arrows to 91"

Ok so even though i dont have HD, and i dont care about 82, im going out today to buy an sw21 and another lnb so i can try the process you've outlined.
You don't have to buy a switch - just do EXACTLY what Pinza says, with the following changes:

Run a Check Switch, with NO input cables on the receiver.
Set the Skew of your Dish to match your location.
Run a single line from 82 LNBF, which is in the 82 lot on the "Y" yolk of the Dish, directly to the input of the receiver (NO switch's)
Peak the signal.
Install the 91 LNBF.
DO NOT Install the switch.
DO NOT Wire 1 line from 91 and 1 line from 82 into an SW21 switch (If you are using an SW44, see that thread for details of the correct installation) INSTEAD, JUST CONNECT THE 91 LNB DIRECTLY TO THE INPUT OF THE RECEIVER - NO SWITCH
DO NOT Run a Check Switch.

You should now have the 91 satellite, not both birds.

I was thinking about the line of sight thing, and the top of my garage may just be obstructing the very bottom of the dish, but maybe not, its that close. The peak of the garage roof is about 60 ft away. the top of the dish is definately clearing the garage. The funny thing is, one of my neighbours has his dish shooting through a gable on his house. He's got like 15% of the top of the dish clearing the gable, if that.
The top of your garage is not preventing you from getting 91 - 91 is "higher" above the horizon than 82. One thing that might be keeping you from getting 91 is there is something to the right of where you're aiming to get 82 - 91 is to the right of 82 if you're standing behind the dish.

Guys, i got it working.

I rented a Birddog satellite finder. The thing worked like a charm. I highly recommend this unit.

So much infact that i would not recommend manually trying to find a signal without having one considering 91 seemed to not exist.

I also somehow have both 91 and 82 in the 80%s on a cloudy day working off one lnb. Go figure.

Thanks for all the help guys.

I also somehow have both 91 and 82 in the 80%s on a cloudy day working off one lnb

Yeah right.

The Dish must be damaged then. That would explain all the grief with aiming.

Its brand new fresh outta the cardboard box *shrug*. Not complaining haha.

i have echo star 110 west up on screen trying to find bellxpress sat dish at 91 w but when i turn the dish that direction i get unkown sat on screen any ideas

do you have an old receiver? or a brand new one? if you do and the softare hasn't been updated then yes, this makes sense. Try running a checkswitch, if it confirms a signal to SAT 91, then all you need is the software download. The Bell satellites were changed last spring and new software is needed to name it in the point dish screen.

If you are still not certain you have the correct bird, I would ask a friend or neighbor with Bell if you can just connect your receiver to their Dish to download the software. A Bell world should be able to help too.

Hey gang here's my situation...just picked up a new 6131 HD receiver. Picked up a new lnb and a SW21 switch. Installed everything, check switch, can get 91 just fine 90%, but it won't find 82. What's up? Do I have to register it first in order to get 82? Can't figure it out for the life of me.

Was the Dish already Skewed.?

Have you set the Skew.?

You do not need to do anything other than a 'check switch" to see 82.

Disconect the 82 LNBF and SW21.
Peak signal after skewing the Dish on 91.
Connect SW21.
Run 'check switch'.

yeah...I'm getting 91 just fine...my receiver knows there's a switch there, but it doesn't see 82....that's why I'm wondering if you have to register it first...I haven't registered it yet.

Are you getting 91 on the correct LNBF.?

That is why all aiming should be done with no switch's.

Yeah I get 91 no probs without the switch

Was the Dish already Skewed.?

Have you set the Skew.?

Are you getting 91 on the correct LNBF.?

OK...tried again last night for 4 hours....started from scratch...one lnb, left side (from back of dish) directly connected to receiver...no switch. NOW....all I can find is 82 @ 98% and I even found Echostar 110 @ 97%...tried for 2 hours to find 91 but couldn't. This has never..ever happened to me before..I'm lost for words...what the &^%$?...Am I missing something?