: SA8000/8300HD - Internal Hard Disk Upgrade Works (Cloning too) See Post 1.
I've searched all relevant threads about the different drives in use. And most references to the barracuda 7200.10 seem to indicate issues when used externally.
I replaced the internal 160GB WD drive with a 750 GB barracuda 7200.10 drive before leaving on vacation in December and returned with a truck load of shows to watch! Pretty much every show has pixelation and audio distortion that happens at the same time.
It seems to happen a lot more often with HD recordings and it also happens when watching live HD programming. I checked the signal levels and they are -4 and -36 db which according to the FAQ is good.
What do you mean by that?
Anyways, I've been trying to figure out what to do with my IDE drives as I've been thinking of moving away from my IDE FW/USB2 enclosures, for bigger capacity SATA drives in FW/USB2 enclosures.
I had been thinking of getting that Vantec with WD AAKS drive (like people on the net are now selling pre-assembled for the 8300HD), but after reading about all the niggling issues I finally just decided to take my 400 GB Seagate 7200.8 out of one of my IDE enclosures and stick it in the 8300HD.
BTW, I did the clone thing with Active Disk Image and it worked fine in Windows. (I couldn't figure out how to use the floppy disk version properly.) Windows DID recognize all 400 GB (or something like 379 GBytes) after the clone, and so did the 8300HD. The only issue was a little increase in seek noise... so I took the thing apart again and stuck electrical tape at all the metal joints. The seek noise decreased back to the way it was before: Still slightly noticeable if I have the sound muted (like when skimming ahead or reviewing), but otherwise inaudible from my seating distance.
2009-02-18, 09:55 AM
Did you check to see what the Acoustic Management setting was on your drive? It might not be set to it's lowest (quietest) setting.
AFAIK, that Seagate 7200.8 drive normally has no acoustic management setting. My understanding is that it is always on quiet mode by default. However, if you have an NCQ-enabled computer, you apparently may be able to disable AAM if you wish. (I couldn't try this, as my Windows computer is ancient. I'm otherwise all Mac.)
The Hitachi tool does not work with that drive either. (The Hitachi tool works with my 160 GB Western Digital from my 8300HD and the Maxtor drive in my PC though.)
To be clear, this drive isn't loud by any means, and neither was the previous 160 GB WD drive in my 8300HD. However, without the added electrical tape insulation between metal parts in the case, the Seagate 7200.8 was slightly louder during seeks. Now it's about the same, which is acceptable, and only really noticeable during fast-forward and review when it is actively seeking and there is no sound. It's not usually noticeable during normal playback even with the sound muted, because there is much less seeking I guess. With the sound muted I can hear it seek once in a while with normal playback, but obviously I don't usually watch TV with the sound muted so that's not a worry. That's no different from the 8300HD prior to the drive swap anyway.
P.S. Part of the reason I may seem sensitive this may be because I'm a bit spoiled by the ancient 40 GB Maxtor drive in my Cube (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Mac_G4_Cube). It's slow, but silent. I can sit 2 feet away from the Cube and not hear the drive. It's quite disconcerting actually, because sometimes when loading a large file/program I wonder if the computer has hanged, as there is no noise from the drive and there is no drive activity indicator on the computer. It's not as if the drive is being drowned out by other components either, as the computer has no fans at all, not even a CPU or GPU fan. It's completely passively cooled. Both my 8300HDs (included an un-modded one) sound positively loud in comparison from the same distance. Fortunately, I don't sit 2 feet away from my 8300HD.
2009-03-13, 10:51 AM
My hard drive died last week . I found this forum and decided to go for the WD5000AAKB hard drive. So I bought it and placed it into my 8300HD. Now my problem is that the machine is looping doing his initial test (the one with the ‘h’ + incremental numbers). Can I do anything ? Can I do a kind of ‘hard reset’ .
How long have you waited? The reload (hex counter) does take some time.
2009-03-13, 03:26 PM
More than 10 hours .... .
I had to remove the hard drive and reboot and now I can watch the tv again ...
2009-03-14, 12:43 AM
I checked my hard drive with my computer and it was working fine.
So, I tried it again in my 8300HD and that time everything worked perfectly: instead of the ‘h’ + numbers I got a ‘r’ + numbers (don’t know exactly what is the difference...) but at the end of the numerical sequence the machine rebooted and miracle: everything was working fine!!
I’m really happy !! (kind of get dependent of this small recording device ...)
Thank you all.
2009-03-15, 12:24 AM
I found this forum fantastic in the past so I hope someone here could help me again. Thanks to this forum, I purchased a 500GB Western Digital HD (I believe it was an internal HD) and an enclosure (Vantec NexStar 3), that was able to connect using the esata connection on my Rogers Scientific Atlanta 8300HD PVR. They work great together. I have a Sony Bravia KDL40XBR4 if that matters. The problem is (I'm embarrassed to admit) I am almost out of memory. I heard there is now hard drives with more memory but I don't want to lose the TV shows that I already have on my 500GB Western Digital HD. Is there anything that could be bought that could double my memory or more and still not lose the shows I already taped? If there is, please make sure it's compatible with my Rogers PVR and Rogers cable. Thanks.
What you can do is increase the size of the internal drive and clone all the information on it to the new internal drive. See the link to cloning in post 1 of this thread.
You can't do anything about the external drive because the index is stored on the internal, so the external has to remain the same, or you'll lose the information on it.
There is one other option. Sometimes people start a new external drive and keep the old external. When they want to watch programming on the old external, you need to connect it again, but you also need to know what programmes on the index are where - because now they could be in 3 places, internal, old external, new external. This is not recommended since it's difficult and may not be reliably accessed either.
2009-03-15, 01:18 AM
I should have added the NexStar 3 has both esata and USB options so I guess the ideal situation would be to transfer the shows from the internal HD and then use the USB connection on the NexStar with that drive as another backup drive for my PC. I already have one Western Digital backup drive for my PC but it's 160GB and almost full. Would that be the best solution? A PC could have 2 backup drives I assume, correct? If yes, how would I transfer the TV shows from the internal HD and enclosure to a new esata drive with more memory and have the present one used as a second backup for my PC? If that could work, what esata drive would be compatible with my configuration, to be connected to my Scientific Atlanta 8300HD? Should I buy another enclosure and internal drive? I want the most memory available so I don't have to go through this ever again. What brands would you recommend?
I tried to edit my post to add the above info earlier. I was too late since you already answered. Thanks for the reply.
I looked at that cloning link in your reply and I must admit I didn't understand it. For one thing, it sounded like it would mean transferring (cloning) the data using my PC. The info on my internal HD is from my PVR and has nothing to do with my PC. I was under the impression that if I would take info to my PC, it would lose all the TV shows I saved. I also don't know where that advanced function is.
You need to take the time to read a few more posts about the cloning process. You may not be able to do it yourself since it means taking the drive out of the PVR, cloning the data on that drive (using the appropriate software) to a new appropriate (larger) drive and then putting the new larger cloned drive into the PVR. This (cloning) is done by a PC even though the drives are from/for the PVR.
The files on the external (and internal) drive are encrypted and you cannot transfer them elsewhere (like to a PC), they need to stay where they are, or they need to be "cloned" to a new drive bit for bit, including the encryption, so all of the options you provide in your previous post are not available to you because these are not PC files, they are encrypted video files which need to stay exactly where they are to function. The only thing you can change is the drive size and clone the 160 to a larger (internal) drive - say 1-1.5 TB.
Please put your location and service provider into your UserCP Profile (location) as this will help us help you - i.e. where are you located?
If you wish to discuss the cloning process in more detail after reading the cloning posts, please do so in the other thread since this one is for external drives. I will also then move these recent posts to that thread.
2009-03-15, 02:00 AM
I think there is a misunderstanding. I am not expecting to put the TV shows that are in the internal HD, into my PC. I want to empty the internal HD I have now by doing the cloning onto a new drive. Then with an empty internal HD and enclosure (once it's been cloned, can't it be emptied?), I want to use the memory as a backup for my PC. Given the enclosure has USB capability, can't it be used as a SECOND PR backup drive once it's empty?
When you talk about removing the drive from the PVR, I didn't understand that either. I intend to clone the TV shows that are on the internal drive and enclosure NOT the TV shows that were saved on the PVR itself.
I could do the transfer myself if someone tells me where I could find free reliable software to do it and how to do it. I didn't understand the cloning link you gave me last time but if there are more posts that could help me in more layman's terms, I would appreciate that.
I think this is the correct place for the thread given I would then need a NEW esata HD or internal HD and enclosure, compatible with my Scientific Atlanta 8300HD and Rogers cable and Sony Bravia KDL40XBR4. I want to know what brand and model would be compatible for an esata drive and what would be best if I chose the internal HD and enclosure option? Last time I opted for the latter since there were no esata drives compatible in Canada that I could find.
One other thing. I saw this ad: Western Digital WDH1Q10000N MyBook Studio 1TB External Hard Drive - 7200, 8MB, USB 2.0, FireWire 800, eSATA but when I look at the Western Digital site, I get the feeling that it can't connect to a PVR. Given it's eSATA, why wouldn't that be an option to add external memory to my PVR?
I'm in Thornhill, Ontario, a suburb of Toronto.
Thanks again. I appreciate it.
Let me try to make a few things more clear.
1. Yes, once the cloning has been successful, you can use the internal drive for whatever you want - as a backup for your PC for example. You're going to need a "new" enclosure for this drive since your existing external drive and enclosure will stay where they are - attached to the PVR since you want access to those programmes.
2. I cannot explain drive cloning in laymans terms since it's not a laymans function. If someone else wants to give it a try, please go ahead, but if you read posts 366-371 of this thread and if that's over your head, then you're not going to be able to clone the drive yourself.
3. The external drive thread is not the correct place because you will need a new internal drive, which goes inside the PVR (once it's cloned - once all the information on the current internal drive is transfered to it), therefore no enclosure is required. Also, the internal drive is, I believe, an IDE drive, it's not a SATA drive.
4. Since you're in the GTA, I strongly suggest that you get Slyboy, mentioned in this thread to do this for you, so that it's done correctly since it requires disassembly of the PVR, taking out the drive, cloning the drive, replacing the drive, reassembling the PVR.
I've moved this to the internal drive thread since this has nothing to do with the external drive.
I intend to clone the TV shows that are on the internal drive and enclosure NOT the TV shows that were saved on the PVR itself.This statement makes no sense. The internal drive has no enclosure - it's housed inside the PVR. Perhaps you don't understand that the PVR has a Hard Drive inside of it? The internal drive is where some of the programmes and the index are stored. Some of the programmes are (now) also stored on the external drive, but the index for these programmes is stored on the internal drive. I don't know how to say this any clearer, perhaps someone else can.
So, the internal drive, housed inside the PVR contains the index for all of the programmes (what you see when you press "list"). The various programmes themselves are stored on the internal drive and on the external drive.
2009-03-15, 02:26 AM
Thanks for your replies but I am not sure you understand what I want to do. There is an internal HD in the PVR (let's call that HD#1), that came with the PVR. That I DON'T want to touch at all. Besides that internal HD, I bought ANOTHER internal HD (it's Western Digital. Let's call that HD #2). HD #2 is inside a Vantec enclosure. I ONLY want to take the contents of HD#2 (leave contents of HD#1 as is), copy it to HD#3 (not purchased yet). Once HD#2 is empty, I want to take HD#2 and the Vantec enclosure and use it as an extra backup for my PC.
That would mean I would then need a NEW external HD for my PVR or a NEW internal hard drive AND new enclosure to be connected to my PVR.
I hope I've clarified things.
2009-03-15, 02:34 AM
I know that the PVR has an internal HD. That's how the first 160GB of memory was stored. When I bought the Western Digital HD with the enclosure and connected that using the esata cable, to the PVR, the store where I bought it referred to the HD as an internal HD. Perhaps that is where the confusion is. I guess you are saying that the Western Digital HD that has the enclosure is considered external. Fine, that means I want the internal memory of the PVR kept as is. I want only to clone the TV shows that are on the external Western Digital HD to a larger external HD and then use the Western Digital HD as another backup drive for my PC. I would then buy a new external HD that is esata or an external one with a new enclosure, to connect to the PVR.
What you wrote about the index though, I didn't know. You are saying that if I want to clone the info on the external HD to a new external HD, it can't be done since there is an index in the internal HD? Based on what you wrote, it sounds like we could clone only the internal memory of the PVR which isn't what I wanted. My goal was to get a lot more memory to connect externally to my PVR and to have 500GB backup for my PC.
If there really is no choice, what brand internal memory is 1.5T and what model? I prefer Western Digital if compatible. I need it to be compatible with my PVR of course. I would need a new enclosure too for my present internal HD to connect to the PC. I obviously would need a professional to remove the contents of my PVR and clone and remove the HD and put in a new internal drive. That sounds awfully expensive. Are you sure there is no way to just clone the contents of the external HD onto a new external HD and therefore the index would be unaffected since the PVR internal drive would be untouched?
...I bought ANOTHER internal HD..Ah, now I understand! You're calling your external drive an internal drive when it's actually an external drive, just inside an enclosure. We were speaking at cross purposes! There's a reason the other thread is called the external drive thread!
The reasons I suggested cloning the internal (1) drive instead of the external drive (2) are:
1. The external drive is larger and I thought you wanted to maximize your storage space.
2. The internal drive is smaller and has probably been around longer and may be a better choice to replace in case it fails..
If instead of the above you want to clone the external (2) drive, that is certainly possible, using the cloning procedure discussed in this thread - posts 366 to 371. The index for the programmes will remain on the internal drive and you'll be fine.
Edit - the above statement is probably incorrect since a new drive would be "formatted" by the PVR (recognized as a new drive) and the programming may be lost.
You'll need to purchase a large new external SATA drive (3) along with an enclosure for that drive. You can then use the old external drive and enclosure for whatever you want after successful cloning.
Since cloning is discussed in this thread, lets leave the posts here.
2009-03-15, 02:55 AM
Yes, now we are on the same page. Thanks and sorry about calling it internal before.
I have the option of an esata HD or an external HD and enclosure, to be connected to my PVR so any recommendations of brands and models that are compatible with my configuration? The larger the better, within reason. I want a large backup for my PC so I am happier having the external 500GB HD as backup rather than removing the internal HD from my PVR.
I will look at the cloning again but now that you know that it's the external HD I want cloned, do I still do it using a PC? It sounds like it could be done by myself since no removal of the internal HD is needed so I would like to do it myself.
For the external drive and enclosure, you should read the last few pages of the external drive thread for recommendations - I believe several people have purchased 1.5 TB drives and put them into (known working) Vantec enclosures. There's also a link in post 1 of the external drive thread to "known working or not working" drives, but I'd stick to the known working drives in the thread itself....
To clone a drive, you need to use a PC with appropriate connectors and appropriate software. Someone else will have to guide you from here.
2009-03-15, 03:06 AM
Ok thanks. I think I am lost about how to clone though and was hoping to just buy an esata drive and not need an enclosure, to connect to my PVR. I was hoping for a recommendation of what's most compatible with my configuration. Remember the Vantec will be used with the external drive I have now, on my PC. Therefore, it is not a consideration for what to buy now to connect to my PVR.
1. Once cloned, use the old WD drive (2) along with the old enclosure for your PC.
2. Purchase a new drive (3) that goes into a new enclosure (one option would be a new Vantec)
Why would you think you'd not need an enclosure for the new drive when your old (current) one requires one??? I think it's bedtime!