: Apple TV 2 jailbreak, streaming, transcoding questions
I have not modified my Apple TV 2 but I am curious to try. Before I decide I have a few questions. I have a good understanding of the jail-breaking process but after that it is not so clear on what add-ons I need or what they do.
Can you stream AVI and WMV files to the device?
Does the Apple TV 2 do the decoding of the video or does it need to be fed a transcoded stream?
Can you stream video from a network share or ATV2 attached storage?
Do all the standard ATV2 functions continue to work after being jailbroken? In particular Airplay.
Given I would like to primarily stream video over my LAN, which add-ons should I get? XBMC, Plex, Media Player, nitoTV, Rowmote, Last.fm, Couch Surfer?
Can you stream AVI and WMV files to the device?
Provided you install the proper codecs, you can stream many formats including .avi and .mkv but I'm not sure about WMV
Does the Apple TV 2 do the decoding of the video or does it need to be fed a transcoded stream?
ATV2 handles a lot but in some situations (high bitrate 1080p files) you may need a server to transcode. 720p .avi's or .mkv should not be a problem.
Do all the standard ATV2 functions continue to work after being jailbroken? In particular Airplay.
Yes although you probably will turn off auto update.
Given I would like to primarily stream video over my LAN, which add-ons should I get? XBMC, Plex, Media Player, nitoTV, Rowmote, Last.fm, Couch Surfer?
I use ATVFlash but the only add-on I use beyond the necessary codecs is Plex. The Plex interface on ATV2 is really nice.
Thanks for the great information Hugh. It never occurred to me that it would be a simple case of installing codecs on the ATV 2.
I have not jumped to 1080 yet so it sounds like I should be OK. I have my ATV 2 wired. Also, the higher bitrate stuff I have is from my camera which is 720P.
I will try your advice on Plex and ATVFLash. Sounds like a good project this weekend.
One last question. With the YouTube app are the playback restrictions removed? For example the Vevo music videos.
Danno100 2012-05-31, 08:06 PM I also recommend PLEX. It is a client (ATV2) and server (HTPC) application. It plays many formats including .wtv (TV Recordings) from a HTPC.
Is the server side of Plex optional? I was not clear but I want to do all these things without a PC.
Tikker 2012-06-01, 04:09 AM No. Plex requires a server. It does the transcoding. Xbmc does it on the atv2. Plex is superior in every other way tho. Imo that is
Jake, just a few notes.
Plex does require a server, XBMC does not.
Plex does NOT always transcode, only where you stipulate or when it's required because the ATV2 can't handle the file
ATVFlash is a paid product from Firecore. You can jailbreak and manually add all the software that ATVFlash installs but the firecore route makes its dead easy. I bought it for my ATV 1 and then used it for my ATV2.
FWIW, I love the Plex server because I use my PC's, Mac, WDTV Live, ATV2 and my iPad as Plex clients. I have plex installed on my Windows Home Server which runs 17 hours a day. (my WHS sleeps from 11:30pm to 6:30pm)
QuickSilver 2012-06-01, 08:36 AM I do the exact same thing as Hugh. Plex is amazing. I also run the server on my WHS box. I did do the manual jailbreak though and it is fairly painless to get the programs installed after. Fairly simple terminal commands. Nito makes it even easier once jailbroken.
Thanks fellas. I will most likely give it a try.
Tikker 2012-06-01, 10:11 AM another big plex user here too
run it on the ATV2 (hoping to use on my atv3 soon) couple HTPC, android tablets, ios items, etc etc etc
slyboy 2012-06-01, 10:44 AM Interesting thread! I've begun looking into Plex after reading these comments here. What I'm seeing so far is that Plex does not read external meta data, similar to XBMC. For those of you with WHS (2011?) installations, is your server installation of Plex for Windows storing your meta data locally on the server, and then your client interfaces are accessing that same server copy of the meta data?
I'm not sure if this would be a good product to potentially replace my use of My Movies, or to compliment it.
For those of you with WHS (2011?) installations, is your server installation of Plex for Windows storing your meta data locally on the server, and then your client interfaces are accessing that same server copy of the meta data?
Yes for Client PC's, iPad, and Apple TV 2.
WDTV Live does not appear to use server metadata but I am still trying to figure out what it does.
FWIW, If I can get a good price, I am going to sell my ATV2 and replace it with a Mac Mini. The reason for this is that the ATV2 can't handle 1080 and I seriously doubt the ATV3 will be jailbroken anytime soon.
Tikker 2012-06-01, 06:16 PM plex presentation is absolutely top notch
I shied away from it for a long time because it required a Mac, but since the windows server has become available, I was really impressed with it
for many many moons, I'd used a combination of Media Center (xp mce, then vista and now win7) combined with Media Browser as the front end, and meta browser on the back side of things
plex replaces all 3 of those, does all of what they did, plus adds theme music to the TV presentations
some of the Movie meta data grabs are a bit off, media browser/meta browser are more accurate in my experience, but it's 99% there
being able to use it on the Apple Tv (1 and 2, hopefully 3 soon, but bleh) and other similar sized boxes is a big bonus
slyboy 2012-06-02, 09:40 AM Great feedback guys, thanks.
Tikker - like you previously, at the moment I feel a little shy about using Plex as I'm using My Movies and its metadata collection which I regularly read is the best you can get. My Movies also has a great Windows software tool to manually manage your collection and fine tune things you don't like in the metadata that has been pulled in for you. You comment though about how Plex has replaced multiple products for you is enticing. I very much like/want a sever based solution for media storage and metadata, which My Movies has always provided me, and it seems Plex is able to do that too. Previous to now, I thought XMBC did not do server based metadata storage (each client did their own locally?), but Plex (which seems to sit on top of XBMC) appears to have gotten around this. Is this correct or am I missing something?
Assuming I can place it side by side with my other WHS software without it affecting anything I might give it a try.
Tikker 2012-06-02, 03:24 PM you can. on my atv2 i have both plex and xbmc. plex runs faster, and smoother. presentation is much better imo as well. it def does it's own meta scraping tho, ignoring what I have in there from meta browser
you can manually change things meta data wise in plex though. if it grabs the wrong thing, you can force it to the "correct" data
but for free, and it doesn't interfere with anything you have now, just load plex on top of your stuff
doesn't affect your current implementation, and you can compare side to side on identical systems
Steve0 2012-06-02, 04:33 PM FWIW, If I can get a good price, I am going to sell my ATV2 and replace it with a Mac Mini. The reason for this is that the ATV2 can't handle 1080 and I seriously doubt the ATV3 will be jailbroken anytime soon.
My advice is to wait until WWDC is over (June 11 - 15th). Hopefully they announce an app store for ATV. Plex has already stated that if apple allows apps on the ATV that they will develop an app for the app store.
I currently have a JB ATV2 w/ Plex, but I would love an ATV3 w/ plex that I dont need to jail break. Hopefully the plex remote would work too.
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