: OTA NETWORK Status: TVOntario & TFO


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stampeder
2011-09-05, 03:12 PM
This thread carries on from the previous TVOntario & TFO DTV Transition Status (http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=105528) thread, which is now closed.

Pre1ude
2011-09-05, 07:24 PM
Is TVO 19.1 Toronto at their full 106kw power?

PanaMark
2011-09-06, 08:00 AM
Paris transmitter 28-1 TVO RF28 continues to be plagued by data stream issues. Two of my three televisions can pull it in with lots of signal while one television cannot decode picture but has 86% signal strength.

Then there is the London transmitter which takes some time to decode (5 seconds) on some sets but does not want to decide if it will be on 18-1 TVO RF18 or start @ 18-2 then remap to 18-1.
:mad:

OTANUT
2011-09-06, 03:27 PM
Just turned on the tv and TVO is back on 32-1 and it maps as TVO now!!! Still in 480i though!! And the time is ~7 minutes fast. At least they are doing some work on it......can't wait to see some HD!

Phil81
2011-09-06, 06:54 PM
Whatever was done to CICO-32 Windsor today made it work again on the converter box instead of getting a "No Program" message, likely related to the DC-II they had been sending. Actually get a tad nervous when they start tweaking the PSIP/data stream again, it seems to finally decode on one tuner box/TV but then break on another when it worked fine before hand.

Other than that though, starting to wonder if they will ever have a 1080i signal at all down here...100% 480i since day one.

shazeldine
2011-09-06, 09:05 PM
I have 2 different dtv boxes both from 2008.
1. Artec T3A
2. Venturer STB7766G

TVO 32 is now working properly on these 2 boxes were it would show no program before. The guide is all blank and the time is wrong.

Jase88
2011-09-06, 09:40 PM
Pre1ude, yes, the Toronto transmitter (and all TVO post-transition transmitters) are at their correct allocated ERP.

Nester5000
2011-09-07, 09:33 PM
Both Sony TVs and Samsung HD box now able to scan in TVO 32.1. Just need the switch to HD now.

OTANUT
2011-09-08, 05:07 PM
Got word today from TVO that the HD feed between Chatham and Windsor is broke and it will take 3-4 weeks to repair it!!! 480i for another month...:confused:

PanaMark
2011-09-09, 08:22 AM
One of my Panasonic Viera televisions still cannot decode 28-1 TVO RF28 Paris. There is plenty of signal 80% but no video, nor audio.Then over on channel 18-1 TVO RF18 London it maps 18-2 then back to 18-1. Also the channel audio lags the picture when first changing to 18-1.
There you go technicians, if you follow the forum, get er fixed.:mad:

ImHooked
2011-09-10, 07:11 AM
TVO is no trouble mapping 18.1 on our either our Sony or Dynex tvs. However, their guide data has been long gone and both of the above tvs map in a subchannel of 18.65535. 65535..Reminiscent of my machine language days...but I digress.

28 has a different but equally rediculous subchannel number.

Bark64
2011-09-10, 09:39 AM
This morning my tv won't decode tvo london at all. If I bring up the signal meter I get snr 31 and 97 % but the virtual channel box stays blank. If I force it by manually punching in channel 18-1, I get a blank channel with no info. The same thing happened last weekend, friday and half of saturday and then it worked fine after that. Luckily 28-1 works fine so I still have tvo. I am using a 4 year old Toshiba LCD. I haven't had any issues with any of the other digital channels, even 51-1 has been fine. Very strange, tvo seems to be having some real issues with their data stream. Anybody else in London having this problem. Funny Panamark has issues with 28-1 and I am having isuues with 18-1.

Jase88
2011-09-10, 01:54 PM
I'm not having issues with 28.1 Paris or 19.1 Toronto. There is some guide data, but it's no longer as far into the future as it was shortly after transition. I now have about a day or so of data.

Panamark: This "lots of signal but no audio/video" issue...does it happen one all sets at the same time? Or just the one tuner?

PanaMark
2011-09-10, 08:21 PM
Panamark: This "lots of signal but no audio/video" issue...does it happen one all sets at the same time? Or just the one tuner?

I have an older Panasonic Plasma that is having this issue. Now today when I went to check on it the picture and sound were there but the PISP read 28-1 WCMZ from the previous night's tropo from Michigan.

My Samsung has continues to be plagued with PISP issues from London 18-1 as now it just reads 18-1, no description. They must be trying to repair these issues.

Actually tonight my newer Panasonic will not display sound or picture for London TVO.

Jase88
2011-09-10, 08:50 PM
While most other Canadian stations/networks have had at least a few years of digital "experience", TVO is unfortunately late to the digital OTA game. I'm sure there will be issues for some time as their technical staff catch up on the learning curve.

The other issue that I suspect for the Paris transmitter is microwave fade. While I'm not certain that TVO Paris is fed by microwave, I suspect that CIII Paris is. Thus my question of whether the issue impacted all sets at the same time.

If TVO London is fed by microwave, you'll find similar fade issues during periods of temperature change, fog, heavy rain, etc.

I might bike by the Paris site tomorrow to see if there's fibre heading into the site....just for my own curiosity. Maybe RFMAN can comment?

Nester5000
2011-09-11, 05:00 PM
When TVO was having issues down here and 32.1 was all signal but no video, I had to punch in 32.3 to get it to work.

octopod
2011-09-11, 11:13 PM
Is anyone having problems with TVO 33 chatham? My all three tv's show 100% SQ but, on main tv an LG, has no A/V and the station ID is two chinesey characters and two @ symbols.

Zinwell converter has no problems with the channel.

Bedroom tv (LG also) hasn't been on in awhile but justr checked it and it was on TVO when turned on. For a split second it was coming in perfect, then went black and quiet and ID changed like the LG downstairs.

Should be on "Shatner's Weird or What?" but anyways was wondering if anyone else was having this problem.

Also a week ago or so it was coming in perfectly on everything

Bark64
2011-09-12, 12:46 PM
I posted Saturday about my Toshiba not being able to display a virtual channel. Well, on Sunday it started displaying apparently random virtual channel numbers for tvo. First it came up as 4-1, then 3-1, then 5-1, then 29-1, then 64-1 and then the best of all 80-1! How can you come up with 80-1 when it is only supposed to go up to 69? It was better than not coming through at all and it was 1080i so I am not complaining just wondering what is going on.

tvlurker
2011-09-12, 01:03 PM
Any virtual channel number up to 99 is allowed. From the ATSC specification (http://www.atsc.org/cms/standards/a_65-2009.pdf) :
The major_channel_number shall be between 1 and 99.

There are US-specific rules that govern the use of major channel numbers 70-99 in Annex B of the above document, but they do not apply here.

Jase88
2011-09-12, 03:19 PM
When a virtual channel conflict is detected, some tuners will re-assign a higher virtual channel. My CM7000Pal DVR does this when it detects two channels with the same virtual channel.