There was a switching problem at the remote truck.

Many posts discussing specific issues with the CBC's Toronto transmitter have been moved to the Toronto Station Status (http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=134969) thread.

Was checking tonight's OTA recording of Corrie for other issues from CBLT-DT Toronto, and noticed that the logo appeared different prior to taking it's usual form... Noticed it started out as a DV symbol used to denote Descriptive Video before morphing into it's regular shape.

Switched audio streams, and viola, a described Coronation Street was heard, in mono, but described non the less. Thanks!

An audible comment prior to the start of a described program would alert those who cannot see the screen bug to the fact that a described version can be had.

Nice touch CBC...

Cameron

Anybody else having poor audio quality on the Stampede chuckwagons on CBC? The audio is fairly quiet compared to usual on CBC and some of the announcers sound like they are in a shower. (Watching on CBLT OTA)

Update: The audio improved over the course of the broadcast.

I have two LG tvs and an older tv with a Zinwell convertor. EPG comes in on the zinwell all the time, while both LGs show EPG only on extremely rare intances.

Is anyone getting reliable EPG on any LG tvs? Im just thinking if we can figure out a list of tv manufacturers that is having problems vs ones that aren't, might be able to figure out what is missing to make it work.
I have the same problem with my recent model LG 3D LED. The info of 5-1 does work in Samsung now..but a few months after analog shutdown.

I posted in another thread that TVO's program guide is finally fixed and worked in both my Samsung and LG.

OTOH, after analog shutdown, these 2 channels (5-1 and 25-1) not only dropped from 1080i to 720p but also screwed up big time in these basic guide info etc. I know they cannot be blamed 100% because other TVs (like an old Akai plasma) can pick up the info no problem.

Seriously, the other 20 OTA channels have absolutely no problem...just CBC 5-1 and 25-1...how hard is it to fix it ?

PPL4GOLF, take a look back on about page 28 of this thread, post 418 onwards for a conversation by between majortom and myself on this topic. There's a couple of tests you can do:

- check to see if it works on WUTV Buffalo (since it also uses the moving PID for EIT-0) on consecutive EIT time blocks (eg. 5 to 8, 8 to 11 - either AM or PM works).
- check CBLT 5-1 Thursday 11am to 2pm

These results are helpful in determining what your gear is not happy with.

Thanks E G C !
That was a good read troubleshooting the culprit and hope someone would pick it up and try to fix it.
Slight off topic : what was fixed in TVO 19-1 the past week? The EPG is working now. The problem may well be similar to 5-1.

Just noticed something odd while looking at TSReader:

- SRC's system time is 5 minutes fast
- CBC's system time is 5 minutes slow

Perhaps initially one was out and the attempt to correct it put the other one out? :confused:

As for why I was looking at TSReader in the first place, CBLT's program info is absent from the PSIP again (EIT/ETT totally missing)

Looks like Marc hasn't posted in the forum for a while but if he's reading, I give his crew a huge thanks! :D

Hopefully we'll see it on CBLFT again soon too.

Update to post 377, I see program guide data for CBLFT for the first time in well over a year. :D

Oh, and the clocks are dead-on accurate for both CBLT and CBLFT! :cool:

I've notice some intermittent issues with both CBC's and SRC's program info for the past few days. CBC's is now stable. SRC's is not. I think I see why now. The key is in the MGT (Master Guide Table).

As you can see below, CBC has 56 EIT and 56 ETT PIDs. But for SRC, there are only 10 ETT PIDs. When the time of the week hits a missing PID, the program info disappears then reappears when time hits a present PID.

Earlier this week CBC had many missing PIDs too. Looks like it's fixed and will be stable for a while.

Here's CBC:

Cable VCT (0002) on PID 0x1ffb
Terrestrial VCT (0000) on PID 0x1ffb
EIT-29 (011d) on PID 0x1000
EIT-30 (011e) on PID 0x1001
EIT-31 (011f) on PID 0x1002
EIT-32 (0120) on PID 0x1003
EIT-33 (0121) on PID 0x1004
EIT-34 (0122) on PID 0x1005
EIT-35 (0123) on PID 0x1006
EIT-36 (0124) on PID 0x1007
EIT-37 (0125) on PID 0x1008
EIT-38 (0126) on PID 0x1009
EIT-39 (0127) on PID 0x100a
EIT-40 (0128) on PID 0x100b
EIT-41 (0129) on PID 0x100c
EIT-42 (012a) on PID 0x100d
EIT-43 (012b) on PID 0x100e
EIT-44 (012c) on PID 0x100f
EIT-45 (012d) on PID 0x1010
EIT-46 (012e) on PID 0x1011
EIT-47 (012f) on PID 0x1012
EIT-48 (0130) on PID 0x1013
EIT-49 (0131) on PID 0x1014
EIT-50 (0132) on PID 0x1015
EIT-51 (0133) on PID 0x1016
EIT-52 (0134) on PID 0x1017
EIT-53 (0135) on PID 0x1018
EIT-54 (0136) on PID 0x1019
EIT-55 (0137) on PID 0x101a
EIT-0 (0100) on PID 0x101b
EIT-1 (0101) on PID 0x101c
EIT-2 (0102) on PID 0x101d
EIT-3 (0103) on PID 0x101e
EIT-4 (0104) on PID 0x101f
EIT-5 (0105) on PID 0x1020
EIT-6 (0106) on PID 0x1021
EIT-7 (0107) on PID 0x1022
EIT-8 (0108) on PID 0x1023
EIT-9 (0109) on PID 0x1024
EIT-10 (010a) on PID 0x1025
EIT-11 (010b) on PID 0x1026
EIT-12 (010c) on PID 0x1027
EIT-13 (010d) on PID 0x1028
EIT-14 (010e) on PID 0x1029
EIT-15 (010f) on PID 0x102a
EIT-16 (0110) on PID 0x102b
EIT-17 (0111) on PID 0x102c
EIT-18 (0112) on PID 0x102d
EIT-19 (0113) on PID 0x102e
EIT-20 (0114) on PID 0x102f
EIT-21 (0115) on PID 0x1030
EIT-22 (0116) on PID 0x1031
EIT-23 (0117) on PID 0x1032
EIT-24 (0118) on PID 0x1033
EIT-25 (0119) on PID 0x1034
EIT-26 (011a) on PID 0x1035
EIT-27 (011b) on PID 0x1036
EIT-28 (011c) on PID 0x1037
Event ETT-29 (021d) on PID 0x1080
Event ETT-30 (021e) on PID 0x1081
Event ETT-31 (021f) on PID 0x1082
Event ETT-32 (0220) on PID 0x1083
Event ETT-33 (0221) on PID 0x1084
Event ETT-34 (0222) on PID 0x1085
Event ETT-35 (0223) on PID 0x1086
Event ETT-36 (0224) on PID 0x1087
Event ETT-37 (0225) on PID 0x1088
Event ETT-38 (0226) on PID 0x1089
Event ETT-39 (0227) on PID 0x108a
Event ETT-40 (0228) on PID 0x108b
Event ETT-41 (0229) on PID 0x108c
Event ETT-42 (022a) on PID 0x108d
Event ETT-43 (022b) on PID 0x108e
Event ETT-44 (022c) on PID 0x108f
Event ETT-45 (022d) on PID 0x1090
Event ETT-46 (022e) on PID 0x1091
Event ETT-47 (022f) on PID 0x1092
Event ETT-48 (0230) on PID 0x1093
Event ETT-49 (0231) on PID 0x1094
Event ETT-50 (0232) on PID 0x1095
Event ETT-51 (0233) on PID 0x1096
Event ETT-52 (0234) on PID 0x1097
Event ETT-53 (0235) on PID 0x1098
Event ETT-54 (0236) on PID 0x1099
Event ETT-55 (0237) on PID 0x109a
Event ETT-0 (0200) on PID 0x109b
Event ETT-1 (0201) on PID 0x109c
Event ETT-2 (0202) on PID 0x109d
Event ETT-3 (0203) on PID 0x109e
Event ETT-4 (0204) on PID 0x109f
Event ETT-5 (0205) on PID 0x10a0
Event ETT-6 (0206) on PID 0x10a1
Event ETT-7 (0207) on PID 0x10a2
Event ETT-8 (0208) on PID 0x10a3
Event ETT-9 (0209) on PID 0x10a4
Event ETT-10 (020a) on PID 0x10a5
Event ETT-11 (020b) on PID 0x10a6
Event ETT-12 (020c) on PID 0x10a7
Event ETT-13 (020d) on PID 0x10a8
Event ETT-14 (020e) on PID 0x10a9
Event ETT-15 (020f) on PID 0x10aa
Event ETT-16 (0210) on PID 0x10ab
Event ETT-17 (0211) on PID 0x10ac
Event ETT-18 (0212) on PID 0x10ad
Event ETT-19 (0213) on PID 0x10ae
Event ETT-20 (0214) on PID 0x10af
Event ETT-21 (0215) on PID 0x10b0
Event ETT-22 (0216) on PID 0x10b1
Event ETT-23 (0217) on PID 0x10b2
Event ETT-24 (0218) on PID 0x10b3
Event ETT-25 (0219) on PID 0x10b4
Event ETT-26 (021a) on PID 0x10b5
Event ETT-27 (021b) on PID 0x10b6
Event ETT-28 (021c) on PID 0x10b7


Here's SRC:

Cable VCT (0002) on PID 0x1ffb
Terrestrial VCT (0000) on PID 0x1ffb
EIT-51 (0133) on PID 0x1000
EIT-52 (0134) on PID 0x1001
EIT-53 (0135) on PID 0x1002
EIT-54 (0136) on PID 0x1003
EIT-55 (0137) on PID 0x1004
EIT-0 (0100) on PID 0x1005
EIT-1 (0101) on PID 0x1006
EIT-2 (0102) on PID 0x1007
EIT-3 (0103) on PID 0x1008
EIT-4 (0104) on PID 0x1009
EIT-5 (0105) on PID 0x100a
EIT-6 (0106) on PID 0x100b
EIT-7 (0107) on PID 0x100c
EIT-8 (0108) on PID 0x100d
EIT-9 (0109) on PID 0x100e
EIT-10 (010a) on PID 0x100f
EIT-11 (010b) on PID 0x1010
EIT-12 (010c) on PID 0x1011
EIT-13 (010d) on PID 0x1012
EIT-14 (010e) on PID 0x1013
EIT-15 (010f) on PID 0x1014
EIT-16 (0110) on PID 0x1015
EIT-17 (0111) on PID 0x1016
EIT-18 (0112) on PID 0x1017
EIT-19 (0113) on PID 0x1018
EIT-20 (0114) on PID 0x1019
EIT-21 (0115) on PID 0x101a
EIT-22 (0116) on PID 0x101b
EIT-23 (0117) on PID 0x101c
EIT-24 (0118) on PID 0x101d
EIT-25 (0119) on PID 0x101e
EIT-26 (011a) on PID 0x101f
EIT-27 (011b) on PID 0x1020
EIT-28 (011c) on PID 0x1021
EIT-29 (011d) on PID 0x1022
EIT-30 (011e) on PID 0x1023
EIT-31 (011f) on PID 0x1024
EIT-32 (0120) on PID 0x1025
EIT-33 (0121) on PID 0x1026
EIT-34 (0122) on PID 0x1027
EIT-35 (0123) on PID 0x1028
EIT-36 (0124) on PID 0x1029
EIT-37 (0125) on PID 0x102a
EIT-38 (0126) on PID 0x102b
EIT-39 (0127) on PID 0x102c
EIT-40 (0128) on PID 0x102d
EIT-41 (0129) on PID 0x102e
EIT-42 (012a) on PID 0x102f
EIT-43 (012b) on PID 0x1030
EIT-44 (012c) on PID 0x1031
EIT-45 (012d) on PID 0x1032
EIT-46 (012e) on PID 0x1033
EIT-47 (012f) on PID 0x1034
EIT-48 (0130) on PID 0x1035
EIT-49 (0131) on PID 0x1036
EIT-50 (0132) on PID 0x1037
Event ETT-3 (0203) on PID 0x1088
Event ETT-4 (0204) on PID 0x1089
Event ETT-15 (020f) on PID 0x1094
Event ETT-16 (0210) on PID 0x1095
Event ETT-17 (0211) on PID 0x1096
Event ETT-18 (0212) on PID 0x1097
Event ETT-31 (021f) on PID 0x10a4
Event ETT-32 (0220) on PID 0x10a5
Event ETT-33 (0221) on PID 0x10a6
Event ETT-34 (0222) on PID 0x10a7

I've notice some intermittent issues with both CBC's and SRC's program info for the past few days.

Have you seen this in multiple cities? If not it should be posted in the station status thread for the city the stations are in. This thread is for network wide issues not for local issues.

Isn't CBC's master control centralized? :confused: If it's an issue one station wouldn't it likely be an issue for the others? Since I'm only within reach of one CBC and one SRC station to do a TSReader scan, perhaps others could do the same for others.

There would be no easy way to compare the samples if they all existed in local station threads.

Master control (video switching etc) may be centralized, but I believe PSIP generation is done locally (though I could be wrong) since each transmitter has different fixed parameters.

It is all centralized: programs, commercials, ATSC encoding, Dolby Digital encoding, EPG...
Toronto for all English services, Montreal for French.

Thanks for the info Marc. I stand corrected. :)

So is it true that CBLFT has program info, or am I misunderstanding? I've never seen it with my Zinwell converter, but have seen it on all the other channels in the area that have added it (including CBLT).

English and French services were having EPG issues over the last few days.
I see guide info on both Toronto signals right now.

Thanks. I noticed CBLT lost program info for a couple days a few days ago, but I still have no program info on CBLFT right now and haven't noticed it before (since the digital switch, anyway). I don't speak French so I don't watch it often, but I've never noticed the program info while surfing channels and passing it.

So is it true that CBLFT has program info, or am I misunderstanding? I've never seen it with my Zinwell converter, but have seen it on all the other channels in the area that have added it (including CBLT).
orbot, I've noticed some subtle differences in the PSIP between English and French. Interesting that your Zinwell may be sensitive to that subtlety. If I grab some time in the next few days I'll try to capture it. I can confirm both English and French program as available at this writing.

FWIW, my inlaws' Zenith converter can't handle either English and French - I believe some LG tuners are in the same boat. Majortom and I had a discussion on this topic a few pages ago in this thread that we ***SPECULATED*** it was due to CVCT being present (because it's not present in any other PSIP in our area) which we believe is legal ATSC so it's a firmware bug (that will never get fixed :-( ). Then there's also the separate EIT-0/lowest PID issue (that my RCA converter has) which is clearly a firmware bug since many broadcasters do it that way.