Is there any plan for CBC and Radio-Canada to correct the time being transmitted with their DTV programs? From experience CBRT-DT does not display the right time. Reports in the reception forum say CBWT-DT and CBWFT-DT don't either.

CBCT time is way off and has been since day one. I've been figuring they'd fix it when they add the PSIP automation data. But that seems to be taking a long time as well.

they should be 6-1 3-1 but for some reason they are 27.3 and 51-3 on my tv set but i am ok with the channel map

3 months to make repairs to the guide data.Obvously CBC does not care about OTA.I already deleted CBC from my PVR with no guide data nothing to record.

I made some comments about incompetence earlier in this thread and was criticized for it by some. That early on, I was inclined to accept the criticism.

But seriously: Flawless prototype digital channel shown to us for a few years prior to Sept. 2011, and comparative crap ever since the actual deadline passed.

There aren't too many ways to describe that.

Obvously CBC does not care about OTA

No secret there. Mr. Lacroix, Mr. Guiton, and Ms. Kirshenblatt have made that abundently clear. That doesn't mean EVERYONE at the CBC doesn't care. Obviously Marc cares since he gives updates on the situation.

I made some comments about incompetence earlier ...

To me incompetence may be too strong of a term without knowing more facts. It could be whoever is working on it isn't any sort of ATSC expert but CBC management is directing him to work on it (or even NOT work on it :o). I doubt CBC management is going around looking to hire ATSC experts given their view of the whole topic.

Flawless prototype digital channel shown to us for a few years prior to Sept. 2011, and comparative crap ever since the actual deadline passed

The CBC/SRC digital channels that existed prior to Sept. 2011 were all fairly old (started in 2005 I think). It's possible that the team that put these on the air was totally gone from the network by the time 2011 came along. If they didn't leave documentation for the new guys, then yes, that's incompetence and also management incompetence for allowing it to happen.

To be fair to CBC, both Global and CHCH have no useful guide data either. (I think they are officially "working on it" too)

Perhaps finally launching the Winnipeg stations might see some progress on this issue?!?

My understanding that all the technical issues for Global carrying program info are in place, and all that remains is to get a license from Rovi to actually use the data. (It still amazes me that broadcasters have to pay someone to display their own programming info. I suppose just because you have rights to broadcast something doesn't mean you have rights to the episode's title and synopsis.)

Looks like this CBC OTA saga is soon about to span multiple years. :(

I made some comments about incompetence earlier in this thread and was criticized for it by some. That early on, I was inclined to accept the criticism.

But seriously: Flawless prototype digital channel shown to us for a few years prior to Sept. 2011, and comparative crap ever since the actual deadline passed.

There aren't too many ways to describe that.
Not to be critical of you, but something you may not be aware of is that CBC is using a different network distribution approach than before the transition on 9/1.

Not trying to make excuses either, just stating facts.

NHL game between Phil. and NY is being carried on NBC and CBC and NBC picture resolution is clearly showing a sharper image of the game.Players names remain readable at all times on NBC via WGRZ OTA while distance shots on CBC are not readable.CBCs picture looks more like DVD quality.So I am watching on WGRZ.

Agreed Rob. The sound also seems better on WGRZ too. I prefer the HNIC announcers but the NBC viewing experience (from a PQ/SQ perspective) is just so much better.

Although the CBC feed was about 6 seconds ahead of the NBC feed due to tape delay...

I agree with you guys that the Winter Classic looked better on NBC WGRZ, I find it funny though because they also have a sub channel so there bandwidth is that much small and it still looks crisper than the CBC does at 720p. In my opinion that was the worst mistake CBC ever made going from 1080i to 720p there old signal was the best signal to date that i've seen. Oh well at least the announcers on CBC are better, those americans on NBC are terrible.

I suspect the problem isn't that they are using 720p but that they are producing in 1080i and then down-converting to 720p. If they were to produce their programmes (including HNIC) in 720p the picture would be better.

Are we certain it was even an HD feed coming from Pittsburgh?
I didn't watch so I couldn't tell you myself …

If anyone from CBC/Radio-Canada is here on the thread, you should be aware that many forum members, in both the English and French OTA forums, are reporting severe signal fluctuations and signal breakup on CBFT-DT. (Some on CBMT-DT, also.) The trouble is not universal, which leads me to believe there is some kind of problem with the PSIP on the stations, causing havoc with some receivers.
It's not overload, either, as the reports are coming from all over the place, including the far east end of Montreal. (My parents on the South Shore, however, have no trouble whatsoever.)
It's been going on since shortly before Christmas and those viewers are understandably upset by a lack of resolution to the problem and the lack of a response from Radio-Canada to those who bothered to call in and report the signal trouble.

Speaking of signal fluctuations, here with CBNT (8.1) St. John's, NL, for the first 2 months or so I got a steady 90 - 100 signal strength (depending on tuner). Since the middle of November or so starting in the afternoon usually, the signal varies from 60 - 90 or even 25 -80 or so again depending on the tuner. This is usually worst case from about 2:30 PM to 5:00 PM or so but can be noticeable well into the evening at times. Sometimes my Sony LCD and CM7000 have a totally unwatchable picture, while my AccessHD box on an old Sony trinitron can keep a better lock (it figures).

I posted this a couple times in various threads but no one else from the area has posted noticing the same. Is this the type of problem noticed in the above post? I also sent an e-mail complaint on a couple occasions to the CBC site, but there has been no improvement. The signal loss is not always at the same level, but generally it happens every day.

P.E.Hannon

Dare we ask about the inclusion of program guide data in the Toronto CBC broadcast?

About the missing guide for CBC, it is over four months now since the Sept.1 transition to the new system they are using so I am not expecting them to ever get this working, it obviously isn't a priority for CBC.

Now that I am using Windows Media Centre and HDHomeRun for my PVR it isn't that important to me any more either to get PSIP working though it would be nice to be able to see what is on when watching directly on the TV.

it obviously isn't a priority for CBC.

Considering the issues they have been dealing with, it shouldn't be a priority. Picture and Sound quality issues trump guide info IMHO. No point not being able to watch TV, just so you can know what you are supposed to be able to watch. :)