: OTA: Southwest Ontario, MI, Lake Erie area DXing, Tropo, Odd Reception: 2011
2011-06-19, 08:03 AM
Did a scan last night just before hitting the sack but didn't notice until this morning that the infamous WNGS Buffalo 67.1 RF7 and it's three subchannels had mapped in. I don't know if it was actually viewable. I quite often see a couple of Buffalos but based on the WNGS thread, I didn't think I'd ever see that one here.
2011-06-19, 10:19 AM
I have only pulled in WNGS once, last year, here in London. Impressive with your channel 12 yagi you built though.
2011-06-23, 10:33 PM
As an addendum to my earlier WNGS post, this is from this morning:
I can't by any means count on it, or any Buffalo for that matter, but it's a nice bonus to see it occasionally.
2011-06-23, 10:34 PM
London is impressive for WNGS...considering that few in the Golden Horseshoe have been able to get it consistently.
2011-06-24, 01:36 PM
On a topographical map you can see that the signal goes from the Buffalo station(s) along the Lake Erie shoreline quite a ways before the land starts to flatten, at which point it can carry through to London during the summer months. :) Of course our veteran members know that the tropo signals almost always come from the other direction (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, etc.) so WNGS is quite a catch!
2011-06-27, 09:27 PM
With WBNF-CA 15 still down in Buffalo ya probably were seeing WEWS-HD the other day. Also seeing WEWS RF 15 pop in and out here tonight, along with WKYC RF 17. WEWS an ABC affiliate from Cleveland I Take it? First time I've seen that here I think.
2011-07-01, 07:37 AM
Good tropo this AM. A couple new catches, from the east for me this morning.
WSKA-HD UHF 30 Corning, NY PBS
WPSU-HD UHF 15 Syracuse, NY PBS
Some TsReaderDumps (https://www.wuala.com/whosurbud/Documents/TsReaderDumps/DxJuly012011/?key=EkB03UNGVfxS), Mostly of the usual suspects, from Erie, Roch, Cleve, Bowling Green, etc. but VHF HI been particularly good this morning, allowing VHF from Erie, PA and Rochester, NY at the same azimuth. Partial hit from Youngstown, OH WKBN on UHF 41. Have to keep an eye on that guy, would be a new catch for me.
2011-07-01, 09:32 AM
indeed Tom, I can report very strong tropo here in London also.
Pittsburgh, Altoona, Youngstown, Cleveland, Erie, Jamestown, and Buffalo have all been hitting the television sets.
No new channels though to report though.
Also I am experimenting with a new preamp I picked up yesterday. It is a Winegard AP 4700 UHF only preamp. Not having VHF amplified has seemed to not affect reception for channel 12 WICU from Erie. There is a loss of 8db just from the splitter plus cable losses. I have had very strong signal readings for channel 12 during this tropo period.
2011-07-01, 11:10 PM
Hi, I could use some help.
I am receiving a channel on analog channel 48 with religious programming and a TBN banner. Is this station out of Jamestown NY? I have my antenna pointed towards Erie PA.
it is from Erie Pennsylvania Trinity Broadcasting Network W48CH 48
2011-07-02, 06:38 AM
Picked up something new early today.
WLFI-DT 18-1 (RF11) CBS from Lafayette, IN.
Looks to be in the 250-275 mile range.
2011-07-02, 08:21 AM
You folks with VHF-Lo gear + antennas, scan periodically for sporadic-E stuff as there have been reports lately in the FM radio DX thread. Daytime is the best for this, often mid afternoon to early evening has been my experience for FM, but hey, mornings can be fun too.
For those new to sporadic-E, stations can last from a few seconds to almost an hour, signal strength varies wildly, often has no multipath, and often comes in at a higher elevation (antenna view) then tropo / inversion type propagation.
A filtered channel list (of North America) of stations in the VHF-Lo band only will assist greatly as the digital transition has moved the majority of stations into the UHF and VHF-Hi bands, eliminating many blowtorch installations.
Very very rare, but not unheard of, e-skip of 7-13 VHF-Hi (7 mostly) can happen, but the MUF (maximum usable frequency) needs to make it close to the 200MHz range, and that is a very rare event. It needs a solar maximum to help it get there... :-) And the current solar cycle 24 hasn't been anything steller..... yet...
2011-07-02, 10:05 AM
I got 3-1 NBC Cleavland 3-2 Weather Cleavland 5-1 ABC Cleavland and 61-1 THis is all from my antenna in the Attic. Planning on putting on the roof. I was wondering, does anyone in London, constantly get all the errie channels? I wonder because of I am up so High, That once it goes on the roof, I should be able to get some all the time.
2011-07-02, 10:30 AM
CAM, I am constantly trying to get a lo-VHF skip however I am afraid, like you noted, that most stations have vacated this RF.
Last night was extremely wild for tropo.
For a few hours Pittsburgh, Erie, Youngstown, Cleveland, Detroit and Buffalo were hitting the signal meters at peak levels.
Pittsburgh channel 4-1 WTAE RF51 was being received like a local, and destroyed analog channel 51 CHCH.
Pittsburgh channel 16-1 SHOP RF38 I believe now has ION network on the sub channels.
Erie channel 35-1 WSEE RF16 had long lasting reception and barely is receivable most of the time yet last night it was being received for long periods.
I managed to pull in Toronto's 41-1 CIII digital channel and received channel 5 and 9 analog. Is there a channel 4 Global station in that direction as I was getting faint in and out ghostly reception of Global television programming on analog channel 4?
David (powerconsulting) great job in pulling those Cleveland's from your attic. The only person that I know has decent everyday reception of Erie market here in London is ImHooked down in South East London. He has a decent homemade antenna system just of Veteran's memorial and Dundas.
update: looks like channel 4 Global was Owen Sound transmitter.
2011-07-02, 04:15 PM
Was CFPL 10 off the air over night? I managed to pick up WHEC-DT (channel 10), and I've never done that before.
2011-07-02, 04:54 PM
WLFI pictures from this morning:
Over estimated the distance a wee bit. Actual distance is 238.9mi or 384.47km
WLFI-DT 18-1 (http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww305/dxandmore/TV_DXing/WLFI-DT_CBS_RF11_Lafayette_IN_2389mi-38447km.jpg)
WLFI-DT2 18-2 "Cool TV" (http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww305/dxandmore/TV_DXing/WLFI-DT_D2_RF11_Lafayette_IN_2389mi-38447km.jpg)
WLFI Doppler 18-3 "Doppler" (http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww305/dxandmore/TV_DXing/WLFI-DT_WX_RF11_Lafayette_IN_2389mi-38447km.jpg)
You folks with VHF-Lo gear + antennas, scan periodically for sporadic-E stuff +1
I have seen KNOP and KOTA digitals multiple times within the last 1-2 weeks. Last weekend was pretty good. At one point KOTA was so strong there were breakup free decodes up to a minute long.
Is there a channel 4 Global station in that direction as I was getting faint in and out ghostly reception of Global television programming on analog channel 4?I believe this is in Owen Sound. Not very powerful at 37kW. I see this ch occasionally too.
2011-07-03, 07:23 PM
Panamark, I Seem to get Cleveland alot, as well as Detroit sometimes, I get Cleveland more, and more lately. 2 weeks ago, I got channels from Flint and arround there. Antenna still in Attic, I wonder once I roof mount them, what more I will get.
2011-07-03, 09:33 PM
i am curious if anyone can tell me if with the channel master 2016 on its way from ebay (known to be medium range). if i will get tropo as well ? because i have been getting it strong and clear on the 7th floor on simcoe street. with my crappy little lava antenna with their promises of 150 miles. yeah i bought one of them lol @ me for that one...
2011-07-04, 08:02 AM
Hey PW, certainly putting your antenna outside as high as you can get it will help with US reception but it will still be Tropo. The channels will be a little stronger and stay on a little longer. I put up a 30 foot tower last spring and it helped but the single biggest improvemant was adding a rotor. That allows you to point the antenna directly at Cleveland or Detroit or Erie and maximize the tropo signal as well as minimize the signals you don't want. They can be fairly pricey, I paid around $150, but it is definitely worth it. I would recommend a Channel Master rotor when you decide to put your gear outside.
2011-07-04, 09:28 AM
At like 6:30am this morning was getting 8.1, 21.1, 42.1 all out of rodcester which doesn't happen often, then gave the rotor a spin towards erie and i got a couple of new ones...
WPSU 3.1, RF 15.3 out of Pennsylvania State University it's 168 miles away
WGGN 52.1, RF 42.1 out of Sandusky Ohio it's 182 miles away
WBGU 27.1, RF 27.1 out of Bowling Green Ohio it's 233 miles away
thats the farthest away channel i've ever got 233 miles! and it was coming in at 43% on my tv's signal meter!
2011-07-04, 10:19 AM
WPSU 3.1, RF 15.3 out of Pennsylvania State University it's 168 miles away
hey bill, thx. I don't know why, but I just assumed that was syracuse the other day. shoulda looked it up I guess...