The CFPL-DT test was a raw network feed of NBC. It should had looked better than anything out there and I would venture to say its not a fair comparison.

Isn't CHCH 51 in 480i? If so, no wonder the PQ is worse. Not to mention, CHCH airs old movies overnight with very poor quality...

I am seeing CHCH here in Sarnia and yes, it is 480i.

mississauga - hurontario/burnhamthorpe, 4221HD in window on 25th floor, split between CN and buffalo.

pre-transition recv'd 11 and 11.1 just fine most of the time.

post-transistion 11.1 was strong.

this weekend - no dice, chch is gone... everything else is fine.

CHCH-DT-2 51.1 is indeed broadcasting at 480i. I had a snowy screen when CHCH was broadcasting in analogue, but now the picture is clear. Thumbs up!

I realize that CHCH has "switched to digital broadcasting" (at 480i), but does anyone know if CHCH-DT-2 channel 51.1 from Alvinston, ON will convert to 1080i (HD) broadcasting (maybe on August 31 deadline)?

There is no requirement to broadcast in HD.

There is no requirement to broadcast in HD.I'm curious what CRTC mandate Global TV's FAQ (http://www.globaltv.com/About/FAQ.html) (under High Definition Inquiries) is referring to?...
Although HD is not mandated by the CRTC until 2011, the Global Television Network has begun taking steps towards conversion since 2008.
I read somewhere (can't remember where) that sim sub cannot be enforced if the OTA Canadian feed is not equal or better quality than the US feed.

I noticed in Stampeder's mirror of the IC database, CKXT Toronto now has a TO for channel 66, so it appears they will be allowed to stay on 66 until it shuts down October 31.

So much for the shutdown of channels 52 to 69. :rolleyes:

It seems that many of the analogue channels are being given a one-month grace period. But Sun was suppose to move to 40.1 so it's hard to say if they'll be able to stay at 66.1. It should be apparent what's going to happen by Thursday.

I'm curious what CRTC mandate Global TV's FAQ (http://www.globaltv.com/About/FAQ.html) (under High Definition Inquiries) is referring to?...

I read somewhere (can't remember where) that sim sub cannot be enforced if the OTA Canadian feed is not equal or better quality than the US feed.

That's true. But that is not the same thing as the CRTC mandating HD.

The original decision (http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2007/pb2007-53.htm)setting out the August 31 2011 deadline talks about digital transmission, not HD per se:
Accordingly, the Commission has decided to adopt, for planning purposes, a shut-down date for analog television transmission of 31 August 2011. OTA television licences will only be issued or renewed for analog transmission until that date, and OTA television licences will be authorized only for digital transmission after that date.


The are discussions in the decision about the desirability of promoting HD programming in the decsion, but I can't see any place where it is directly required. Of course, from a business model point of view, you could say that it is implicitly required, because the private broadcasters depend on simsubs, and for simsub requests, HD is generally required in order to match the quality of the American signal.

The are discussions in the decision about the desirability of promoting HD programming in the decsion, but I can't see any place where it is directly required.Thanks for the link. True, but they do refer to the "Transition to Digital/HD broadcasting" as one and the same several times...
Objectives of the review include:
5 C. To examine options for the most effective means of delivering Canadian digital/high definition (HD) television to Canadians.
Due to concern about loss of viewership to foreign HD content...
are finding little Canadian programming offered in HD. Such viewers may turn to foreign services, and it may be difficult to repatriate them to Canadian services
The strongest evidence is when talking about the "regulatory certainty" of the adopted analog cut off date, it states that this includes HD:
The Commission is confident that the adoption of this date will provide the television industry with the necessary regulatory certainty to expedite the transition from analog to digital. This includes not only the transmission facilities, but also the production of Canadian programming in HD.

Yes, the intent is to provide HD, but nowhere is it "mandated". There is just an expectation that it will eventually happen.

The Commission is confident that the adoption of this date will provide the television industry with the necessary regulatory certainty to expedite the transition from analog to digital. This includes not only the transmission facilities, but also the production of Canadian programming in HD.

It states: "production of Canadian programming in HD" not broadcasting in HD.

This includes not only the transmission facilities, but also the production of Canadian programming in HD.

No, if you really look at that entire sentence, you could construed that the CRTC is mandating that the transmission (broadcasting) and production of "Canadian" programming be done in HD, not just the production aspect, but everything. The key word is "Canadian"...anything "non-Canadian" (or near 100% of the programming broadcasting from any Canadian TV station) doesn't have to be in HD should the station choose to go that route.

Could be all in the interpretation, but that's the way I decipher that sentence.
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For those of you no longer getting CHCH, my suggestion would be to email them to let them know. Also make sure you have a VHF antenna. I lost it too, but I went and purchased an ClearStream 5 and got it back.

If you just say "oh well, I guess I don't get it anymore", you're just rolling over. I would raise as much ire with them as I could.

The goal should be that they receive so many complaints about the loss of their signal they do something about it!

Is there a specific email address for CHCH to let them know about the poor reception problems. I sent one to "viewer feedback" and got no replies (several days ago).

Also, should we be sending an email to CRTC also? If so what email address to use?

Given I could get good reception of the old analog channel 11 with my DB8, I would have expected to get the digital version on channel 11 too.

I can't emphasize enough that angry responses to CHCH will not help. Their intention was to deliver reliable signal to the area depicted by the service contour. The failure is in the allocation model used by the FCC and IC/CRTC for VHF channels, especially low-VHF. Stations seeking more power have to demonstrate, in part, how much coverage they have lost and more power will not cause interference to others.

More responses descriptive of prior analog service compared with sub-par digital service help describe the nature of the problem. Rants will be counter-productive.

Excellent points Dave.

I always suggest that when problems occur, members should contact the organizations and let them know you are angry but please, do so in a civil manner.

Rants are typically ignored by most organizations.

CITS-DT-1 in Ottawa is alive on channel 42. Discussion is in the OTA Station Status: Ottawa (http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=107973) thread.

CHCHDT3 is live from Muskoka. RF 23 mapping to 67-1. Caught it when I turned my antenna to try for CKVR from Barrie.