Here are the data from Stampeder's mirror of the IC database, which contains the proposed operating parameters for CJON-DT.


Prov City Status Ch. Call sign Lat. Long. HAAT HAGL Max ERP Avg ERP Freq.
NF St. John's RE 21 CJON-DT 473132 -524248 254.6 91.4 266000 128400 512.00
NF St. John's OP 6 CJON-TV 473136 -524246 250.1 91.4 212800 76000 82.00 +

Antenna height above ground level is the same for Channels 6 and 21.

Sparky2k, will CHCH be providing program guide data in its PSIP? There was some in the past but it's gone now.

Sparky2k, will CHCH be providing program guide data in its PSIP? There was some in the past but it's gone now.
OOPs, pgm info tables in stream from master control appear to be empty.
I'll get on to CH zero.
Thanks,
Sparx

Prgm info would be nice on CHCH! If you could make this happen, I would be very appreciative!

Posted today by the CRTC
http://crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2011/2011-340.htm

Link to application:
https://services.crtc.gc.ca/pub/DocWebBroker/OpenDocument.aspx?AppNo=201100859

My summary:
Channel 49 using the minimum amount of power possible to cover Victoria, Vancouver and Nanaimo (I assume to obtain simulsub).
They list their asset cost to transition at $460 k

Does the radio station share an antenna with the TV station (possible with channel 6) or does it have it's own? If shared are they moving it lower on the tower? I would have thought they would want radio at the top.
The radio station is not at the top. It's a 10 or 12 bay antenna on the tower. It goes almost to the top, but not all the way. The TV antenna's are at the top.

I have a picture. It is not the clearest, but you get the idea. The FM is the dark "barrels" running most of the top half until the TV antennas take over at the top.

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/picture.php?albumid=766&pictureid=4031
http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/picture.php?albumid=766&pictureid=4032

The FM is CHOZ-FM 94.7 on those bays. The channel 6 audio heard on FM radios is simply the audio coming from the TV transmitter.

As you can see with this configuration, such a tall FM antenna, they couldn't put TV below it.

From the application for CFTU-DT, posted to the CRTC website Friday.

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/picture.php?albumid=505&pictureid=4033

LEGEND
Pink lines represent grade A and B contours for current analog Channel 29 @ 10,000 kW omnidirectional ERP.
Dotted and solid lines represent digital urban contour and noise-bounding limiting contour for approved DTV Channel 29 @ 450 watts directional max ERP.

Thanks for the pictures Wharfe, that makes sense. The new UHF antenna will be much smaller than the current channel 6 one, so if they wanted they could move the FM antenna even higher on the tower, but it probably wouldn't be worth the effort.

I understand about channel 6 audio. I wonder if no one is using channel 6 anywhere near by if they could apply for an FM license to transmit the TV audio on 87.7 MHz (or another frequency if there are any available) to keep listeners happy. It shouldn't cost that much and for various technical reasons, the sound quality would improve over receiving the NTSC audio.

Thanks for the pictures Wharfe, that makes sense. The new UHF antenna will be much smaller than the current channel 6 one, so if they wanted they could move the FM antenna even higher on the tower, but it probably wouldn't be worth the effort.

I understand about channel 6 audio. I wonder if no one is using channel 6 anywhere near by if they could apply for an FM license to transmit the TV audio on 87.7 MHz (or another frequency if there are any available) to keep listeners happy. It shouldn't cost that much and for various technical reasons, the sound quality would improve over receiving the NTSC audio.
I wondered that myself. If enough people rely on the 87.7 audio maybe they will setup a new transmitter for it after the switch.. There are plenty of open frequencies here. It would sound much better. Currently the audio is a lower volume than normal FM stations, and you can hear the video pilot tone!

Also, you can see that there are a couple more FM bays sitting above an ice sheild. Not sure if they are audio for NTV, or an aux FM antenna. If they're already transmitting audio on a separate transmitter/antenna then that makes it even easier.

Their FM signal is the strongest, most rock-solid in the whole market as it is. Definitely not much to "gain" from moving the FM antenna any higher!

The CRTC is accepting comments regarding the application for CFAP-DT Québec (V network).
https://services.crtc.gc.ca/pub/instances-proceedings/Default-Defaut.aspx?S=O&PA=B&PT=PT1&PST=A&Lang=eng
Here are some specs translated from their technical brief:

Antenna pattern: Directionnel
ERP at beam-tilt:
Max.: 20.1 kW @ 0.5°
Avg.: 12.7 kW @ 0.5°
HAAT: 172.91 metres
Channel: 39 (620‐626 MHz)

Transmitter location is same as now, at Complexe G in downtown Quebec City. The station states it will need to be off the air at the transition deadline for a few days to dismantle its current Channel 2 antenna (analog service) to make room for its new slot antenna for Channel 39.

Oh and by the way just got word that CJIL-2 (channel 55) analog will be shut down come August 31st.

According to Stampeder's mirror of the Industry Canada database, the CRTC has approved the post-transitional parameters for two more V statuibs.

Montrėal; ch. 35; CFJP-DT(1); 453116 lat.; -733358 long; 79.1 m HAAT; 13750 watts omnidirectional
Trois-Rivières; ch. 34; CFKM-DT; 462927 lat.; -723858 long.; 395.7 m HAAT; 9000 watts max.; 3910 watts avg.

We are planning to flash cut August 1st.


I noted your PSA points to CHCH customers losing analogue as of August 31st.

As plans firm up, maybe a tweak of the PSA on the conversion and transistion date for CH might help alleviate some confusion, keeping in mind the differing dates..... :-)

(there is some crossover here between this and the PSA thread unfortunately)

Cameron

I think this is one of these situations where engineering and programming are not quite on the same page. It seems to me the PSA information was taken from Industry Canadas' playbook without being aware of the engineering dept conversion schedules.
BTW, we should now have our usual PSIP guide data, since last week some time.
Finally, we are going to be trying to locate the source of the transmitted ghost recently observed on CH 11, therefore both analog 11 and DTV 18 will be off air or at low power this Sunday night into Monday morn.
Sparx

Does anyone know the status of CHEX-TV-2 Durham/Oshawa. Are they, or will they be converting to DTV come the end of August? I heard CHEX Peterboro will be transitioning sometime this year.

Reception reports in the French forum indicate CFKM-DT (V) Trois-Rivières is now operational on Channel 34. It's the first local DTV signal for that region.

Humbar, I seem to remember reading that Corus's plan was to transition most of their transmitters in the 2011-2012 broadcast year. This was a couple years back and may have changed however. My guess is it won't be until sometime in 2012, but that is just my gut feeling and I could be totally out to lunch on that one.

The exception to this of coarse being CKWS-TV-1 (Brighton) which is out of band and will transition by the August 31 deadline.

The other unknown is CKWS-TV-3 which may be considered unnecessary once CHCH-TV-1 stops using channel 11 in Ottawa. OTOH, it may provide a more reliable signal in Smiths Falls/Perth/Carleton Place than the originating broadcast from Kingston.

CJON (NTV) in St. John's has shut their OTA signal off as of early this week. Currently in the process of removing the old antennas from the tower.

CBC will be using the same antenna so not much to see there; I hear their new transmitter is on site. They are probably testing into a dummy load and will be flash cutting to digital (non-HD) on August 1. I am referring to their ch 8 main transmitter. There is also an analog CBC translator in the same city on ch 12. Wondering if this will be converted, shut down, or left as-is.


Even with all the DTV commercials I bet there are many folks out there wondering why NTV disappeared, and come August 1 will continue to wonder why they can no longer get either station. Good luck to them.

The Wire Report's July 18, 2011 edition focusses on the digital transitionhttp://www.thewirereport.ca/reports/files/WireReport_July%202011.pdf

One article provides info on plans for CKXT:

Serge Sasseville, vice-president of corporate
and institutional affairs at Quebecor,
said via email that Sun News, which
is broadcasting temporarily on the licence
for local, over-the-air channel CKXT-TV,
is not required to air the announcements
because the over-the-air signal for the
channel will cease on Sept. 1.
He said the station will inform viewers
of the over-the-air station that, as of Aug. 31,
the signal will cease and “they will have to
pursue other options if they wish to continue
to receive Sun News Network after the
shutdown of the analog transmitters. This
will allow CKXT-TV to comply with CRTC
Regulations.”

That's interesting, because for the last few days, I've noticed they've been running the same type of DTV transition ad as every other station. (I'm seeing it on cable, given my location.)
They even have a slide on their website …
http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/digitaltransition/
… which states the following:
Therefore, if you have an analogue television with antennae, you must do one of the following:
Install a Digital-to-Analog converter box.
Buy a Digital Television.
Subscribe to Cable, Satellite or an Internet-Protocol(IP) Television Service.
So what's going on with CKXT-DT and its repeaters come Aug. 31?