: Global Network DTV Transition Status (closed)
tvlurker 2010-12-06, 09:40 PM The standard application form asks when the analog signal will be shut down. If I remember correctly, for the Paris application Global said August 31.
Since this is an on-channel flash-cut, I can't see them having digital (other than the occasional overnight test) before Sept. 1.
stampeder 2010-12-16, 09:46 PM Congratulations Winnipeggers, CKND-DT (Global) has taken to the air OTA today in HD on UHF channel 40.1, remapping to 9.1 and apparently coming in loud and clear:
http://www.digitalhome.ca/2010/12/winnipeg-gets-its-first-ota-dtv-channel/
Your cable and/or satellite HD will never seem the same anymore... :) Now that CKND Global Winnipeg is up and running all the recent posts about it have been moved to this thread:
MB/SK - Winnipeg, Brandon, Regina, Saskatoon, Prairies - OTA (http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=33078)
VANRIDERFAN 2010-12-19, 05:32 PM Any idea when Regina or Saskatoon Global will be broadcasting in HD?
stampeder 2010-12-19, 06:06 PM The Regina and Saskatoon Global DTV stations have been authorized by Industry Canada, which is the final regulatory step needed to go live:
http://www.user.dccnet.com/jonleblanc/Canada_TV_Stations/DT.html
Now it's up to Global to get them going, but I haven't seen an update lately on when that might be.
Emerald_Boar 2011-01-06, 08:06 PM Heres Shaw Plans for Global.
http://www.shawmedia.ca/about/licenceRenewal.asp
Note: The same document can be found at the CRTC website.
http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2010/2010-952-1.htm
stampeder 2011-01-18, 01:24 PM Global Edmonton's status just changed in the IC Database. The temporary CITY DTV on channel 47 is still showing OPerational, but the listing for channel 13 just changed from APproved (by CRTC) to AUthorized (by IC), which is the final step before OPerational.
ScaryBob 2011-01-18, 05:00 PM I see that Global is not planning to transition their Sarnia/Oil Springs transmitter until 2016. That's a huge disappointment in this area.
goforit 2011-01-18, 07:22 PM More reasons why to watch Detroit HD.
argilo 2011-01-19, 08:03 AM I see that Global is not planning to transition their Sarnia/Oil Springs transmitter until 2016.
Where did you see that? Their license renewal document says "By 31-Aug-16*" with a note stating "*To be converted to DTV by 31 August 2016 as per CRTC Broadcasting Decision 2010-782 with Progress Reports filed with the CRTC on 30 September 2012, 30 September 2014, 30 September 2016".
So they could delay until the very end, but they don't appear to have ruled out transitioning earlier. (Of course, given the foot dragging we're seeing from our broadcasters, it wouldn't surprise me if they wait until the last day!)
ScaryBob 2011-01-19, 09:02 AM More reasons why to watch Detroit HD.
Detroit stations are not available in most of London. Neither are any other US stations on a reliable basis. (I suggest you do some research before making such statements.) Global's Paris transmitter will likely not be obtainable in London after the transition either. That means London is losing Global and won't have a suitable digital alternative.
roger1818 2011-01-19, 02:37 PM Global's Paris transmitter will likely not be obtainable in London after the transition either. That means London is losing Global and won't have a suitable digital alternative.
Do you think London will be able to receive a DTV signal from Oil Springs after they transition? If not, having them remain analog may be better than the alternative.:rolleyes:
goforit 2011-01-19, 06:58 PM Detroit stations are not available in most of London. Neither are any other US stations on a reliable basis. (I suggest you do some research before making such statements.) Global's Paris transmitter will likely not be obtainable in London after the transition either. That means London is losing Global and won't have a suitable digital alternative.
I was making the statement in reference to those near the SW border- see Sarnia, Lake St. Clair area.
rob50312 2011-01-19, 07:42 PM I wonder why Global has decided not to duplicate Paris transmitters analog coverage?
Emerald_Boar 2011-01-19, 08:08 PM In Theory, Global has duplicated Paris transmitter, fully.
But we all know that at 4kW. It likely will not be enough in order to receive it. Unless of course you have an VHF/FM antenna. (I do have an FM antenna. I will see then)
As for Sarnia transmitter. The Analog seems to be receivable in the winter time. And the DTV ERP is about the same value. So I would assume if GTN uses the full ERP. (300kW) GTN should be receivable at least in the winter time.
Read ya l8r,
Al
PS. There are many US stations available via FTA satellite.
Jase88 2011-01-20, 02:18 AM In Theory, Global has duplicated Paris transmitter, fully.
Well, there is a difference in comparative coverage footprints--as indicated by their coverage map within the Paris DTV transmitter engineering application. With digital being less overall.
My own experience tells me that it's possible to view a snowy analog station--far below the threshold where a usable digital signal could be viewed. Thus, I see the Paris DTV signal reaching far less viewers....
roger1818 2011-01-20, 11:38 AM As for Sarnia transmitter. The Analog seems to be receivable in the winter time. And the DTV ERP is about the same value. So I would assume if GTN uses the full ERP. (300kW) GTN should be receivable at least in the winter time.
That is a big if. It is highly unlikely that CIII-DT-29 (Sarnia/Oil Springs) will actually use anywhere near that ERP.
roger1818 2011-01-20, 11:41 AM My own experience tells me that it's possible to view a snowy analog station--far below the threshold where a usable digital signal could be viewed. Thus, I see the Paris DTV signal reaching far less viewers....
True. Also, VHF-LO has proven to require 20dB more power than the models predict for reliable reception so those contours are very much wishful thinking. GTN, the CRTC and IC don't seem to care though.
micah 2011-01-20, 11:48 AM True. Also, VHF-LO has proven to require 20dB more power than the models predict for reliable reception so those contours are very much wishful thinking. GTN, the CRTC and IC don't seem to care though.
Can anyone verify that we have a recourse with the CRTC if the predicted level of service is not what actually happens? If I complain after the fact are the obligated to fix it?
stampeder 2011-01-20, 11:50 AM Yes, you do have recourse. Keep a printout of their conditions of license, and if those conditions are felt to have been unmet then raise the issue promptly according to the specifics.
alebowgm 2011-03-17, 04:25 PM In Paris it is actually CIII-TV. CIII-TV-6 is in Ottawa. For Global Toronto, this bulletin only covers CIII-TV-6 and CIII-TV-22 (Stevenson/Windsor). That doesn't mean that CIII-TV's application hasn't been approved yet, only that it wasn't approved during the time period that this bulletin covers (1 May to 30 June 2010).
Has anyone heard any word on the status of CIII-TV-22 Stevenson? The CRTC listed it as part of the Windsor market from back in the day when the transmiter was in Cottam and could actually be reliably recieved in Windsor and has mandated it for mandatory transition by the deadline, but I see no information on it outside of Shaw saying they would spend $4.6 per year to convert the analog retransmitters to digital.
Anyone think they will actually make the deadline?
Truth be told I would rather see CIII-TV-29 converted as I find its reception comes in more reliabily in the Windsor core.
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