frubsen i think you should have no problem with 6.1 paris, the transmitter is actually in ayr, so it's real close to you i bet you'll be able to catch it with some real "rabbit ears" i could be wrong but your only 15 miles or so to the tower, i guess we'll see what happens, glad to here it's going to happen before sept. 1 thats even better.

frubsen i think you should have no problem with 6.1 paris, the transmitter is actually in ayr, so it's real close to you i bet you'll be able to catch it with some real "rabbit ears" i could be wrong but your only 15 miles or so to the tower, i guess we'll see what happens, glad to here it's going to happen before sept. 1 thats even better.

Be careful, you're making a dangerous assumption that low-VHF isn't terrible, an assumption which is faulty. During the US transition, I lived in the city of license of a low-VHF station on channel 3 (WBRA in Roanoke, Virginia, if you wish to look it up), and could not receive it without break ups and drops even with my relatively large VHF bowtie carefully positioned, and that was less than 15 miles. And that signal was at 7.25 kW rather than the 4 kW CIII will be using.

I still live in the market and WBRA-3 is the most problematic signal. Due to the Roanoke stations' mountaintop transmitter locations, I get excellent reception at 79 miles from everything--except WBRA. And that's with a dedicated low-VHF roof antenna. My SNR is north of 30 dB for every signal except WBRA-3 which never gets above 24 dB and is usually closer to 20 dB. When I use an indoor antenna, I can receive all of the Roanoke signals except WBRA-3.

I hate to rain on people's parades, but unless you're standing under the tower, you should not expect anything from CIII. Be pleasantly surprised if it works for you by some chance.

- Trip

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Global (Paris,ON) needs to change to a UHF channel, and definitely up the ERP... ch 6 @ 4kW just won't work.

Londoners will most likely will be out of luck until CIII-TV-29 (located at Oil Springs/Sarina) converts to digital within the next 5 years, if Shaw/Global don't change their current plan.

London should have had it's own CIII station/repeater years ago. They just didn't bother due to high cable penetration when Global was launched. Putting CIII Paris on 6 with high analog power was a good move in the 1970s. These days, with a powerful CN tower digital main station, the low power Paris repeater is just an anachronism.

ScaryBob, as discussed before, while the Paris transmitter should be moved, it is unlikely to happen since Global (now Shaw) owns the Paris tower and it is cheaper to use your own tower than to rent someone else's.

The only hope is if they roll out mobile DTV, they may want a transmitter in London as a DTV phone there will never be able to receive the transmission from Paris. In that case they would also likely want a transmitter in KW.

I'm well aware of the Roger1818. It seems that most major network stations around London are situated to generate simsubs, not serve city residents. Woodstock is the ideal transmitter location to serve London and points east, including K-W, but only CITY has a tower there.

CIII Paris was assigned RF 30 for testing.

The best solution for CIII would to use directional antenna @ 20 - 30kW ERP aimed towards London. And a secondary antenna aimed toward KW @ 15 - 25 kW. East towards Niagara would be covered from CN tower.

If CIII were to go UHF. Then RF 46 should be used. As their are no Full Power stations any where to be found. Note: My list doesnt include LP stations. Hopefully, There is not an LP in Buffalo. There is a "Stratford listing" using RF 46 in the database.

Read ya l8r,
Al

I'm pretty sure now would be a good time to mention Global pulled the plug on the analog this morning.
Powered up CITV on channel 13.

So if I'm correct, Global has 3 left to go:
- Toronto
- Paris
- Midland

Toronto Paris and Ft Erie all had test patterns for about 5 minutes, but no DTV testing.

According to the Shaw (http://www.shaw.ca/Television/About/Digital-Transition/Global-Channels/) website, CIII Toronto will be flash-cutting over to channel 41 digital tonight (after midnight). And perhaps Paris as well. Stay tuned!

I'm going to venture a guess that Global won't transition these two last stations during the overnight period; in other parts of the country, I think they worked during daylight hours with no common to-the-hour switch on/off. And, I mean, the "25th or 26th" reference for the Paris site suggests it's the same team responsible for transitioning both sites... or I could be completely wrong and pleasantly surprised, tomorrow, but we'll see.

That was an assumption on my part--that CIII Toronto and Paris would be cut during the overnight hours. You could be correct that the changeover may happen during the day.

With regards to Paris, my understanding is that the technical work (new transmitter, etc) has been completed, and that the station can be transitioned remotely.

I am hoping that license approval for 27 here at the lake is also pending.

Speaking of 27, I never knew that they were using Bell Expressvu to uplink their signal to their repeater. With all of the bad weather, in the Toronto area tonight, I noticed the barker channel for Bell Expressvu on RF 27, when the signal was experiencing rain fade. So I guess you can say, Global is not using an uncompressed signal, for their repeaters.

PrinceLH -- hmm, that's interesting... I thought Global used a proprietary scrambled C-band transponder for feeding their Ontario transmitters; it's been listed in Lyngsat (http://www.lyngsat.com/anikf1r.html) for years and years. Maybe with the switch to HD, they're resorting to just using Bell TV?? (that might make the CN Tower signal slightly higher quality due to lower data compression since I assume it's fibre linked)

I'm watching CIII-41 and it's still on analog. The audio keeps getting louder and softer. We do have a storm passing through.

Hmm.

I know for the main CIII, their analog was a C-Band PowerVu encrypted signal. The repeaters, no idea.

pr92, agreed: CIII analog Toronto is definitely experiencing some audio issues. I doubt it's related to weather, as the storms have passed. Possibly may be related to the digital transition cutover, which is scheduled for 25-Aug-11 (sometime today).

Still no conversion as of 6:55am :(

With all of the bad weather, in the Toronto area tonight, I noticed the barker channel for Bell Expressvu on RF 27, when the signal was experiencing rain fade.
Yes after major weather 27 says 'waiting for satellite signal'