the link for CHWI-TV-60 Windsor ON (A) 60 D FILE was invalid...

@alebowgm
Thanks.
I need to check the file then, CHWI60. (Doesnt appear that CHWI60 file is a valid DTV file, as their are no stats on that line.)
Then maybe recheck CRTC website. The issue is with the newer files. Theres some sort of Data Mining Protection. Wheres as Data Mining Protection doesnt exist for older files.

@Jase
I do want CKCO3 to go digital. Also, I would like to see CKCO3 be at/near their assigned max. A 100 kW station may not be enough for me to able to watch it. Currently, I use CKCO3 to watch CTV Programming. As I have not set FM antenna for CKCO (Kitchener) correctly.

Read ya l8r,
Al

I must be useless, can't figure out where on the site you would find this information.

Ok, contacted CHWI (/A\ Windsor) and got some very good looking and prompt responses.

Some highlights...

CHWI-TV currently on channel 16 analog will remain at channel 16 on digital.

CHWI-TV-60 was moved to channel 26 in January 2011 and will remain at channel 26 on digital.We will be hard-switching from analogue to digital on September 1, 2011 – that is the current target date but it could move slightly.both 16 and 26 will switch to digital simultaneously.

I received word back from CKCO3

Thank you for your concern for our Oil Springs transmission site. The site is currently slated to remain as an analog channel 42 site for the unforeseeable future. The requirements set out by the CRTC do not require us to convert this site to digital yet because its coverage area doesn’t exceed a population of 300000. We may convert this site at a later date but for now you will be able to continue to receive us in our current analog format.

also realized thew pdf link i posted never showed up in earlier post (or forgot to ctrl-v) thanks emerald for posting it in

That sucks for CTV 42. Reception can be decent many times even where I am. The signal does travel pretty good.
I bet if Americans just across the border to the west were included it would easily exceed 300k, though foreign audiences aren't considered. There was great interest for those in southeast MI early last year to get totally different coverage of the winter olympics.

Something very true with new DTV broadcasts on either side of the border..

"if you build it, they will watch" :)

42 covers about half of Middlesex County (pop ~ 550,000) better that 13 from Kitchener. Plus it covers several other counties, including the cities of Sarnia and Chatham. It does serve more than 300,000 people but IC and the CRTC prefer to use outdated, inaccurate contour maps as a guide. The Oil Springs transmitters are about the same distance from London as K-W and Paris and have much higher power. The noise levels on 6 and 13 are atrocious as well, making 42 and 29 a better bet for people in parts of south or west London and points farther west.

I don't believe CKCO-3 covers much population outside Canada, aside from a couple suburban Detroit counties.

CKCO-TV-3 can be picked up Windsor, although weakly. So figure anywhere from downtown Detroit north can pick up the station to Point Edward and probably northwest in the less populated areas of Michigan.

The CHWI60 file.

Its not the DTV proposal file. It was the file dealing with analog 60 rf switching to analog 25 rf.

Finding DTV proposal on the crtc. I usually check each day. Often the DTV proposals are listed with "broadcast Consulation" in the daily section. Note: I have not found a newer DTV proposal file in the last 30 days. Still waiting on CFPL. I guess if I really wanted it I could run CFPL building and ask to see it.

CKCO3 Pattern taken from "DTV_PLAN_Dec08-e.pdf"

Base stats 300m & 810kW
azimuth 8.494 27.529 42.723 61.273 76.805 94.840 115.273 120.877 129.388 139.867
gain -0.010 -0.032 -0.017 -0.012 -0.004 -0.047 -0.084 -1.377 -3.065 -4.981
azimuth 146.143 153.640 165.859 179.181 195.172 195.661 208.050 223.150 239.987 260.183
gain -6.444 -9.116 -5.936 -3.107 -0.043 -0.006 -0.018 -0.004 -0.033 -0.055
azimuth 283.679 303.933 319.898 320.000 336.441 353.106
gain -0.030 -0.010 -0.011 -0.007 0.000 -0.041

I received word back from CKCO3

Thank you for your concern for our Oil Springs transmission site. The site is currently slated to remain as an analog channel 42 site for the unforeseeable future. The requirements set out by the CRTC do not require us to convert this site to digital yet because its coverage area doesn’t exceed a population of 300000. We may convert this site at a later date but for now you will be able to continue to receive us in our current analog format.
CHWI (/A\ Windsor) seems to be under the impression that CKCO-3 (CTV Sarnia/Oil Springs) will be flash cutting... hmmm...

Current plan is for CTV to switch to digital on September 1st as well.

Yeah I'm not necessarily sure that the person who emailed back to me bothered looking at the IC pdf that i sent, and never mentioned anything about the channel 27 digital I mentioned while referencing it. So who knows it may just be their stock answer for people inquiring.

Unless CHWI was thinking of the kithener tranmitter although fingers are crossed :)

Yeah I'm not necessarily sure that the person who emailed back to me bothered looking at the IC pdf that i sent, and never mentioned anything about the channel 27 digital I mentioned while referencing it. So who knows it may just be their stock answer for people inquiring.

Unless CHWI was thinking of the kithener tranmitter although fingers are crossed :)

The only possibility is CHWI provided me with incorrect information. They for sure knew I was discussing Oil Springs which is why I am curious as to how this plays out. I don't want to C/P the entire e-mail but I had asked CHWI if they would provide a multicast CTV sub-feed when they convert to digital. I was told this won't be happening (which was expected considering the CRTC's insistence of only new services being provided on sub-channels) and was told that I had to peak my signal towards Oil Springs for CKCO-3 on channel 43 to get CTV programming. I then asked if Oil Springs is converting to digital and was given the previously posted date.

CTV told the CRTC that they are not transitioning the Oil Springs transmitter and have no plans to do so. The phrase they used was something like, "depending on market conditions." Sounds like a definite maybe, but only when there's a buck to be made, to me.

CTV told the CRTC that they are not transitioning the Oil Springs transmitter and have no plans to do so. The phrase they used was something like, "depending on market conditions." Sounds like a definite maybe, but only when there's a buck to be made, to me.
So maybe market conditions have changed? Lol.

I am not doubting what has been said, and truth be told I didn't expect Oil Spings to be converted in the first place, but with that said, maybe they came around and realized it had to be done sooner rather than later and chose sooner.

In hindsight, digital transitioning of all stations would have been a good requirement for approval of the sale of CTV to Bell. IMHO, the CRTC committed another gigantic error by not asking for it. Shaw put that in as part of their tangible benefits for acquiring Global but Bell totally ignored it.

I second that for sure. At this point, anyone who requests anything from the CRTC should be putting money into digital transitioning or the LPIF.

http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2011/2011-217.htm
Various private conventional television and transitional digital television programming undertakings
Across Canada
Administrative renewals

1. The Commission renews the broadcasting licences for the conventional television and transitional digital television programming undertakings listed in the appendix to this decision, from 1 April 2011 to 31 August 2011 or 31 August 2012, as indicated in the appendix. These licences are subject to the terms and conditions in effect under the current licences.

2. This decision does not dispose of any substantive issues that may exist with respect to the renewal of these licences.

3. The Commission will consider the applications for renewal of the broadcasting licences for the major English-language private conventional television ownership groups, by taking into account the determinations set out in Broadcasting Regulatory Policy 2010-167. These applications were announced in Broadcasting Notice of Consultation 2010-952 and will be heard at a public hearing to be held on 4 April 2011 in Gatineau, Quebec. The licensees below are part of this proceeding:

*

Shaw Television G.P. Inc. (the general partner) and Shaw Media Global Inc.[1] (the limited partner), carrying on business as Shaw Television Limited Partnership
*

CTV Inc. and CTV Corp.[2]
*

Rogers Broadcasting Limited

4. The Commission will consider the renewal of the broadcasting licences for the licensees listed below at a later date, and interested parties will have an opportunity to comment at the appropriate time.

*

Newfoundland Broadcasting Company Limited
*

TVA Group Inc.
*

Samson Management Ltd.

5. The Commission notes that it does not intend to renew authorizations for full-power analog transmitters operating in the mandatory markets or on channels 52 to 69 outside the mandatory markets beyond 31 August 2011. By that time, the Commission expects licensees to have the necessary authority to broadcast in digital. In addition, the Commission imposes the following condition of licence on the stations listed in the appendix to this decision that operate in mandatory markets or on channels 52 to 69 outside the mandatory markets:

Unless otherwise authorized by the Commission, the licensee shall not transmit analog television signals after 31 August 2011 in mandatory markets designated as such by the Commission in Broadcasting Regulatory Policy 2011-184 or transmit television signals on channels 52 to 69.

6. The Commission also notes that, pursuant to Broadcasting Regulatory Policy 2010-69, it does not intend to renew, beyond 31 August 2011, authorizations for the transitional digital transmitters included in the broadcasting licences of the licensees set out in the appendix to this decision.

Secretary General

[2] On 15 March 2011, CTV Inc., CTV Corp., CTV Limited and CTVglobemedia Inc. amalgamated to continue as CTV Inc.

Hi Rob50312,

Did you ever get a response regarding the reduced power of CKVR after the transition? They should add a new low power transmitter in the Huntsville area, just like they have in Parry Sound..

Finally, CFPL map has become available.

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/097/c/6/cfpl_dt_by_emeraldboar-d3dga9t.png

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