: ON - Ottawa, Vanier, Gloucester, Orleans - OTA



bjlockie
2012-01-08, 01:07 PM
Thanks, I was hoping it was close to CTV so I could play with my antenna to get it.

roger1818
2012-01-09, 10:20 AM
CJOH (CTV) is on VHF and requires a VHF antenna. CHRO (CTV2), like most other stations, is on UHF and requires a UHF antenna. VHF and UHF antennas can be easily combined. Some antennas have both types combined together in one unit.

Refined
2012-01-10, 09:27 AM
Can anyone provide email contacts for this channel.
I still only get audio and no video.

I did try to rescan a few times.What occurs is that 17 is picked up as City-TV, then it continues on.

But City-TV comes in on 65 instead? I have nothing on 17.
If I scan manually, 17 is 100% strength.

Something about mapping of which I am not clear on.

In any case all I get is audio on 65. Anyone else still having this problem also?

Norman

Mr Canoehead
2012-01-10, 10:08 AM
are you not seeing it at 57-1?

Refined
2012-01-10, 12:20 PM
That was the case a few days ago, over the weekend. 65 became 57.
But as of this Monday morning ... no more 57.
It has reverted back to 65.

65 comes in at 100% power and signal strength.

We only get audio though, no video.

denydart
2012-01-10, 10:49 PM
I just re-scanned (Samsung LN46D630) and City is back to 65-1 with full audio and video. 57-1-2-3 WCFE are back as well. I am getting new channels 38-102 and 38-103 but "mode not supported" pops up when I settle on them.

Kashif
2012-01-12, 02:09 PM
That was the case a few days ago, over the weekend. 65 became 57.
But as of this Monday morning ... no more 57.
It has reverted back to 65.

65 comes in at 100% power and signal strength.

We only get audio though, no video.
I have a problem getting City TV as well. We get audio but no video. 57-1 came in as City TV a couple of days ago but now it has disappeared. I tried re-scanning but still can't get anything. Does anyone know how I can fix this?

Thanks.

downbeat
2012-01-13, 01:55 PM
Please discuss this trouble with Citytv in the station status thread for Ottawa.
http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=107973
There are already plenty of messages there on the topic.
Cheers all.

mcbiggest
2012-01-15, 01:56 PM
I've been a big fan of many posters on this site, and I think it's great. This is my first post, and it concerns upgrading my setup. I have a a small outdoor no name directional uhf antenna. I can pick up all local channels except global (who cares), and french cbc.

I would love to know if It's feasible for me to pick up the PBS station(s) from my current location in Orleans (Fallingbrook).

I am willing to invest in buying a DB8 or CM4221, and a vhf antenna (for the two other channels I don't get). As an aside, is it possible to combine VHF and UHF signals without a switchbox?

I'm still a newbie, but I'm industrious and stubborn (never going back to cable). Budget isn't a huge issue, but we're all thrifty here... right?!?

TVFOOL report:

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d67d916a81be723

WinterToad
2012-01-16, 07:49 PM
As an aside, is it possible to combine VHF and UHF signals without a switchbox?
I just today received my UVSJ in the mail (I actually ordered 3, since that was less than the cost of shipping anyway, and I wanted to be safe in case one was a dud). With this, I've joined a simple VHF rabbit-ear pair with a cheap Kross 4-bay UFH antenna, and, for the first time, I can receive Global and CBOFT. The UVSJ isn't a switch box, it's a frequency-selective combiner (a T-splitter in reverse, with a low-pass filter on one arm and a high-pass on the other). This allows the two antennas to feed into a single tuner without worrying about phase cancellation due to common signals coming in from both antennas.

The guys at otacanada carry UVSJs, they call them "UHF/VHF T Splitter/Band Separator" on their website (http://www.otacanada.com/cgi-bin/ota_catalog.pl), but they don't have a storefront at the moment, so I ordered mine from the States: here (http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?mc=03&p=UVSJ&d=Pico-Macom-UVSJ-UHF-VHF-Band-SeparatorCombiner-for-Antenna-%28UVSJ%29&c=Signal%20Combiners&sku=). If you're in Orleans, though, Global is probably lost to you even with this bit of hardware, but the question of combining VHF and UFH antennas without a switch box is still pertinent. I haven't been able to find a UVSJ anywhere else, I checked Bleeker, Active, and SourceCC.

Now, to address your other question, I have never seen the PBS stations with my setup. I can't put the UHF antenna outside, so I've got it hanging from a section of PVC pipe I set up in the ceiling of an upstairs room. With this setup, I've got all of the CF and Manotick stations reliably, using an HDHomerun3 tuner.

mcbiggest
2012-01-17, 12:35 PM
WinterToad,

Thanks for the reply! The UVSJs seem like a good economical way of splitting the signals. As for PBS... I know there are some OTA legends in Orleans that are capable of pulling in PBS, but I'm not sure about its reliability. On tropo days I can get it with my cheap Kross mounted at about 15 feet (very intermittantly).

UPDATE:

It's funny what some of us will do to get another couple of channels, but I suppose its the challenge that's motivating. I just purchased an Antennacraft DB8 (my neighbours will love me :s), and I'm going to mount it to a poll on my deck (for now... my roof is EXTREMELY high pitched, and I'd die if I had to climb it now!!). I'm taking a deep plunge because I also bought a C.M 7777... hopefully I'm far enough from the local broadcasts to avoid overload. The 7777 has a seperate UHF/VHF splitter, so I have to get a VHF antenna for Global and CBC french (something cheap should do).

As an aside: It's incredible how we get gouged here in Canada for products that cost a fraction of the price in the States!!!! I found multiple places in The U.S where you could buy a C.M 7777 for $50-$65, but here they're $80-$100. Slightly frustrating!!!! Hoping to go from 12 channels to 15 :P

flavoie
2012-01-17, 02:14 PM
mcbiggest, you're on your way to get WCFE and WNPI (both PBS channels) with this setup and TVFool, assuming you have a good enough tuner.
Point the antenna on WNPI, on WCFE or anywhere in between these 2, and optimize to get the best Signal for both of them while still getting the best signal for your local channels. In my case the 4228hd has deceiving off the back reception of CFGS and CHOT from CF post-transition so I am no longer

Advice on the VHF antenna... if your reception of CJOH at 13 is good with the DB8, you should know that CBOFT (SRC) at channel 9 is moving to channel 33. So potentially if your 13 is good, all you could care about is a channel 6 antenna (FM antenna for example might do), or a VHF Lo only antenna. Your then merge both antennas with an HLSJ instead of a UVSJ. Not all HLSJs may merge it that way, but it normally would...

mcbiggest
2012-01-17, 03:03 PM
I'll have to do a little research on the Global tv setup... but that channel is mainly for my spouse! Glad to hear cbc french is moving, I'm having a hard time pulling it.

flavoie
2012-01-17, 03:24 PM
IF you are satisfied with your CJOH CTV reception, an outdoor FM antenna would be smaller than a VHF Low antenna and more easily available than a channel-cut channel 6 yagi antenna.

I don't know the timeframe of CBOFT moving to uhf 33 but they did formally apply for the move.

AnalogMig
2012-01-18, 01:38 PM
I'm taking a deep plunge because I also bought a C.M 7777...
I've obtained a CM7777 and it made my reception worst in every case. I tried different setups and was extremely upset at the poor results. I removed it. It is now sitting in a box in my basement. I'm getting better results with a 10db nexient booster.

AnalogMig
2012-01-18, 01:40 PM
mcbiggest, you're on your way to get WCFE and WNPI (both PBS channels) with this setup and TVFool, assuming you have a good enough tuner.
Point the antenna on WNPI, on WCFE or anywhere in between these 2, and optimize to get the best Signal for both of them while still getting the best signal for your local channels. In my case the 4228hd has deceiving off the back reception of CFGS and CHOT from CF post-transition so I am no longer

Advice on the VHF antenna... if your reception of CJOH at 13 is good with the DB8, you should know that CBOFT (SRC) at channel 9 is moving to channel 33. So potentially if your 13 is good, all you could care about is a channel 6 antenna (FM antenna for example might do), or a VHF Lo only antenna. Your then merge both antennas with an HLSJ instead of a UVSJ. Not all HLSJs may merge it that way, but it normally would...
Considering he is in Orleans ( I believe), There is achance he may get PBS. I tried everything here in Riverside South (Manotick) and was unable to get a permanent lock on PBS channels shouth of the border.

AnalogMig
2012-01-18, 01:43 PM
Anyone had any trouble pulling in 6 and 9 yesterday? The signals were very weak. Could this be because of the freezing rain?

roger1818
2012-01-18, 01:58 PM
I've obtained a CM7777 and it made my reception worst in every case. I tried different setups and was extremely upset at the poor results. I removed it. It is now sitting in a box in my basement. I'm getting better results with a 10db nexient booster.

Considering your location (Riverside South) and proximity to HC, I suspect overload was your issue. The CM-7777 is a high gain amp and doesn't do well with very strong local signals.

mcbiggest
2012-01-18, 02:44 PM
I was worried about overload, but I think I just may be far enough to avoid that... my main goal is to get PBS.

roger1818
2012-01-19, 09:01 AM
mcbiggest, looking at your TVFool report, you should be able to avoid overload. First of all you are about 30km from both towers so they won't be a blowtorch. Secondly, for you WNPI is 37 degrees from HC and 119 degrees from CF, which, depending on the antenna chosen, should provide a good amount of reduced antenna gain for the locals. This will also help reduce the chance of adjacent channel interference from CHCH on WNPI.