Does anyone know if stations are allowed to run less than the IC approved ERP levels this August if they choose to do so?
From what I understand the answer is yes.

Also, VHF for ATSC needs a lot of juice, I was hoping they would try going even stronger although WJBK is VHF at 20kW so I guess it is pretty comparable...

An interesting quirk of the Broadcasting Act is that the CRTC cannot revoke a CBC license without the CBC's permission. Maybe there is some leeway for analog to stay on the air.

Hey tvlurker - this is good news! Does this mean the CBC/SRC will leave whatever analog transmitters running that they choose? It seems like the CRTC has a wife (CBC/SRC). They can do whatever they want with her permission! I sense that there is justice here somewhere. ;)

the CRTC cannot revoke a CBC license without the CBC's permission.
But IC has already revoked the channel allocation in many cases. Even though the CBC cannot lose the license, they may not be able to use it. The IC decision has more teeth since it is enforced by international treaty, not just a bunch of appointed, industry insider bureaucrats.

An interesting quirk of the Broadcasting Act is that the CRTC cannot revoke a CBC license without the CBC's permission.

The CRTC is not revoking any licenses (CBC or otherwise). They are modifying them to add DTV transmitters and remove analog transmitters.

I think tvlurker's point is that the CBC can abandon a market or violate it's mandate but not lose it's broadcasting license. That is letting the CBC flaunt CTRC requirements without any fear of reprisal. For example, the CBC is refusing to transition stations in mandatory markets without fear of losing its license. With a private broadcaster, the CRTC could revoke the license and assign it to another broadcaster.

Correct.

Will some people not be able to receive the CBC repeater on digital 29 from the Paris area 110kw 234m.Globals signal will be much weaker.CTV Kitchener a little better.How is the current analog 56 coming in in London from Paris.I still believe analog 40 will just stay on.

How is the current analog 56 coming in in London from Paris
When I point towards Paris transmitter channel 56 analog is recieved with some snow in the picture. On tropo days it is clear.
You need a decent gain antenna for decent reception of it.

Will some people not be able to receive the CBC repeater on digital 29 from the Paris area 110kw 234m.

No. There is no CBC repeater on 29 from the Paris (Kitchener) area and likely won't be for quite a while (if ever). The CBC is only upgrading their primary transmitters. Repeaters (that they own)* in mandatory markets will be shut down.

* CKWS-DT-1 will be upgraded, but it is private CBC affiliate owned by Corus Entertainment.

Not to mention that Global from Oil Springs is also on 29 and is much more powerful. I think that someone in IC hates London.

So Barrie ,Paris,London all gone.

Add to that Lethbridge, Saskatoon, Quebec City, Rivière-du-Loup, Rouyn-Noranda/Val d’Or, Saguenay, Sherbrooke, Trois-Rivières, St. John and Moncton.

A reminder that this current thread is for tracking the particular technical status of the DTV transition being undertaken by CBC & SRC.

Several posts of a more general CBC & SRC DTV transition policy nature have been moved into their own thread here:

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=135699

For French there are 13 areas endangered to lose OTA service, including Halifax, Charlottetown, and as previously indicated, Calgary. Not surprisingly, none of these areas are in Quebec.

From http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2011/2011-38.htm#5.

The new post-transition digital transmitter, CBKT-DT, would operate on channel 9 with an average effective radiated power (ERP) of 33,600 watts (maximum ERP of 60,000 watts with an effective height of antenna above average terrain of 207.2 metres).
(...) The Commission notes that this application is not in compliance with Notice No. SMBR-006-08 – Publication of the Digital Television (DTV) Post-Transition Allotment Plan (the Plan) of the Department of Industry since the licensee proposes to use a higher maximum ERP than that which was allotted in the Plan.

CBKT-DT COVERAGE MAP

LEGEND:
• GREEN AREA represents > 36 dBu predicted coverage
• RED AREA represent potential interference
• BLUE LINE represents 60 dBu digital urban contour
• BLACK LINE represents 36 dBu protected contour
• DOTTED LINE represents 100 km protection radius

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/picture.php?albumid=505&pictureid=3508

CBLN London equipment has been failing. There are at times where pictures just gos for a sec. Also yesterday the picture was not minty fresh.

Its probably nothing that couldnt fixed. But with DTV conversion coming. CBC may not be worried about it.
Is CBC going to let analog CBLN London (rebroadcaster of CBC Toronto) fail, and not go OTA DTV? I have read posts elsewhere within the digitalhome.ca forums, and the answer seems to be yes.... but I still hope that the CBC will convert to digital. All other conventional broadcasters are converting..

hey BCF.

I think CBC will be in DTV here in London. As it is 'to big' to not be on.

However, I read that CBWT-DT (Winnipeg) may not be on until 2012. Which from a numbers game is about as large as London.

I think the truth is. CBC will likely setup cheap low power system on each of 31 markets. (You know instead of using their 500kW @ 226m. CBLN will properly be setup @ 25kW & 260m. Plus, if you look at the cost of CKRT repeaters they are just $25ooo apiece. ERP of 100W and HD?)

Also, if CBC does not setup their own equipment. There no reason why CBC would not piggy back on some one else equipment. CBC(&SRC) as a subchannel on TVO or old CBC affiliate stations (like CFPL).

Another thing about London. What about SunTV (CKXT2)? CBC could purchase the SunTV setup. And broadcast on rf 19.

One last thing. CBC needs to get it house in order. Or If there enough complaints they could see their budget reduced.

Read ya l8r,
Al

PS. Things to think about. If CBC just broadcasts in the 6 biggest OTA markets (Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, Ottawa, Calgary & Edmonton). It can say that 50% of Canadian population can pick up CBC on the OTA. Sad but true ;p

Another thing about London. What about SunTV (CKXT2)? CBC could purchase the SunTV setup. And broadcast on rf 19.This is an interesting thought. It would be convenient for CBC since Sun's ch19 antenna is on the same tower. They'd prob want more than the 7kW ch19 is currently at though.

At least CBC English is committed to digital operations down here for Windsor/Detroit this summer. Everything is approved and ready to go whenever they are.

I think CBC will be in DTV here in London. As it is 'to big' to not be on.

Maybe eventually, but they have missed the deadline to apply for this August.

However, I read that CBWT-DT (Winnipeg) may not be on until 2012.

That was their original plan, but that has since changed and all originating stations will transition August 31, 2011.

Also, if CBC does not setup their own equipment. There no reason why CBC would not piggy back on some one else equipment. CBC(&SRC) as a subchannel on TVO or old CBC affiliate stations (like CFPL).

That assumes the CRTC permits this, which they likely wouldn't

Another thing about London. What about SunTV (CKXT2)? CBC could purchase the SunTV setup. And broadcast on rf 19.

This assumes that SunTV owns the equipment and it isn't leased. Even if they do own it, arrangements to sell it were likely made months ago.

Yeah, I agree with roger1818, we're SOL here in London. As an FYI, I've emailed the CBC and Hubert Lacroix about the new 2015 "Everyone, Every way" plan (www.cbc.radio-canada.ca/strategy2015) to see where that leaves London for DTV -- still no response.