Good question, Emerald Boar. Evidently CITY Woodstock (rf31) doesn't have a valid transitional allotment. Likely doesn't matter though, as it's doubtful we'll see any additional DTV stations in the London area prior to August 31, 2011.

it's doubtful we'll see any addtional DTV stations in the London area prior to August 31, 2011.

My contact at Roger's indicated that they plan to be transmitting in London-Woodstock this year. They will be flash cutting where necessary.

I hope your contact is correct. Obviously they'd need to cease analog transmission...but I don't believe anyone here has an issue with that. ;)

It would be nice to have a backup to CITY's digital Toronto transmitter, as it's lost power several times this year already--and they don't have backup power. Both Toronto and Woodstock are easily received at my location.

I can see them showing CFMT-DT on ch 48 before the cease CFMT-TV analog feed. As their gonna to use ch 48 anyhow.

When you say "test" I think you mean "operate a transitional digital facility".

Yup, i meant transitional digital facility.

Also, I read somewhere that Rogers would have CJMT, CFMT & CITY all ready by Chrismas.

http://www.broadcastdialogue.com/Admin/pdf/stories/2010-09%20State%20of%20the%20Industry_DTV.pdf

But I guess plans have changed. At least with CJMT.

Read ya l8r,
Al

Also, I read somewhere that Rogers would have CJMT, CFMT & CITY all ready by Chrismas.

From what I have heard, that still is the plan.

But I guess plans have changed. At least with CJMT.

What makes you think that? They will have to shut down some analog transmitters early, but that can be done.

What makes you think that? They will have to shut down some analog transmitters early, but that can be done.

The application for CJMT states that they are transitioning at the deadline (no sooner). I would also assume that means it wont be transitioned before Christmas.

The application for CJMT states that they are transitioning at the deadline (no sooner). I would also assume that means it wont be transitioned before Christmas.
micah is right. It quite clearly states in the application:
Indicate the date on which the operation of the associated analog
transmitter will cease.
2011-08-31

Hey guys I am confused here is not CFMT-DT currently on 64 moving to 47 next year???? Where is 48 fitting in here?

wilspin, 47 is for the Toronto transmitter, 48 is the London transmitter.

The only DTV channel in London is CKXT-DT 19.

CFMT-TV London is on rf 69.
CFMT was assigned rf 47 operate a transitional digital facility.
But after the switch over CFMT-DT will be assigned rf 48.

CJMT-TV London is on rf 20.
CJMT was assigned rf 48 operate a transitional digital facility.
After the switch CJMT-DT it will use rf 20.

One last thing, all the DTV proposals need to given by Dec 31 of this year.

Read ya l8r,
Al

Thanks for the clarity, I had a forum malfunction. when I see city and rogers I think Toronto.

Dont expect a smooth transition to digital as Rogers has not ever been able to even to set the time signal with any of the OTA digital stations in Toronto.No program data guide either.Funny City-dt had all this working until Rogers bought them.

Dont expect a smooth transition to digital as Rogers has not ever been able to even to set the time signal with any of the OTA digital stations in Toronto.

I think this has more to do with corporate policy than capability (someone once said they don't want their transmission equipment connected to the network for fear of hackers). Roger's DTV stations in other markets have gone on air very smoothly so I don't see this changing.

^^^^
If they're afraid of using the internet for NTP, they can always use a GPS or CDMA receiver/NTP server.

Yep, I've raised that idea before that their excuse just doesn't wash when they could be synchronizing with radio time signals from CHU in Barrhaven, ON for Eastern Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHU_%28radio_station%29) and WWVB in Fort Collins, Colorado for Western Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWVB).

Of course there is a sarcastically funny side to this: Rogers happily sells Internet connectivity to its customers but won't dare use it for themselves! :D

heh.. I can hear that WWV station on a old SW radio here at night at ~5mhz. Also beneath it on the same freq is a female voice from another station WWVH from Kekaha, Hawaii.

The time from most of the DTV stations around here (from USA) are very accurate. There are couple though with some mins behind or ahead of actual time, but those usually are the smaller stations and not the big guys.

when they could be synchronizing with radio time signals

For best precision they want to use a low frequency signal from WWVB. CHU and WWV, on the shortwave bands are not as precise because they rely on the ionosphere to propogate over significant distances. As the ionosphere moves, the path length can change, varying the propogation time. Of course, these days, GPS or CDMA receivers are available for use as a time source, as I mentioned earlier. Or, Rogers could simply use a Linux box to connect to the internet. ;-)

Rogers has not ever been able to even to set the time signal with any of the OTA digital stations in Toronto.No program data guide either.

I asked my contact at Rogers about this (my previous response was based on something I read here), and he said that regarding the time of day, he will have someone look at the issue. Regarding the schedule information, he said it has turned into a bigger automation project and he will keep me posted with developments. If we are lucky, they will do the same thing CBC is working on and have it tied to their program scheduler so we can get real-time updates.

If someone could provide me with more details about the time of day issue on a station by station basis, I will feed that information to him (it doesn't affect me as my HTPC uses the NRC as its time source).

@ Roger

In Vancouver
10.1 CKVU is a little over 32 hours behind the actual time
42.1 CHNM is pretty much on time

I think this has more to do with corporate policy than capability (someone once said they don't want their transmission equipment connected to the network for fear of hackers). Roger's DTV stations in other markets have gone on air very smoothly so I don't see this changing.
Agreed. I imagine what they learned from putting up the Toronto stations will be leveraged for the rest. Of course, they'll have incorrect time and placeholder-type program guide too. Not sure if "smooth" meant accurate time/program guide info. In that case, it won't be smooth. The guy I talked to at Rogers a couple of years said they'll be leaving it like that because there's no requirement to have accurate time/program guide info. When I checked with Industry Canada and the CRTC, I found out he was right.

Like everyone else, I hope they change their plans. I'm just not letting get my expectations get too large.