I hope Rogers sticks to policy. Besides, there are still plenty of post-transitional UHF allocations left in Vancouver/Victoria.

I just noticed that a recent TVFool doesn't show CityTV-HD for the Ottawa area anymore?

According to Stampeder's mirror of the Industry Canada broadcast database (http://www.user.dccnet.com/jonleblanc/Canada_TV_Stations/DT.html), CFMT's post-transition DTV operations have been approved by the CRTC.

Toronto; Channel 47; CFMT-DT(1); 433833 lat.; 792314 long.; 501.4 metres; 22,200 watts

Co-ordinates and antenna height suggest they are staying on CN Tower.

No more 1MW? ;)
Guess we won't be able to pick it up at the cottage..

CFMT's post-transition allocation on Channel 47 allows for as much as 99 kW. Too bad they don't want to use the maximum allowed.

I receive CFMT-DT (rf 64) @ 15kW ERP just fine in Kitchener now. A lower channel assignment (47) and another 7kW of ERP should push their signal out just as far as their analog stuff goes now. And isn't CFMT broadcast from First Canada Place?!

I Think there is a forum thread on their site where you can let them know.

Might be more of a tvfool question.
at my location, the analog cfmt-tv ch 47 is listed as a 1 edge diffraction path
the digital cfmt-dt uhf ch 64 is listed as 2 edge.
Assuming they're both at the the cn tower, what accounts for the single vs two edge? are they at much diff rad centers or sumthin?


Path
This indicates the path travelled by the signal to get from the transmitter to your location.

LOS: Line-of-sight
1Edge: Single edge diffraction
2Edge: Double edge diffraction
Tropo: Tropospheric scatter

This might explain what you are seeing:
CFMT-TV (analog) is broadcast from CN Tower, while CFMT-DT (transitional DTV) is almost 200 metres lower from First Canadian Place.

To clarify my original post about CFMT-DT … they are actually *returning* to CN Tower, seeing how their transitional DTV station is at First Canadian Place.
So not only will CFMT-DT gain 7 kW of ERP, as Jase88 noted (Post 47), it will gain almost 200 metres in height, too, an epiphany sparked by majortom's message (Post 49).

I just noticed that a recent TVFool doesn't show CityTV-HD for the Ottawa area anymore?
Not sure that it ever did. Someone suggested that it might be because he doesn't have the directional information for CITY-DT-3.

http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2010/2010-720.htm

A few notables:
-More of Chilliwack would be in range (compared to analog).
-Nanaimo and areas south of Bellingham would no longer be in range (compared to analog).
-CBUFT plans on transmitting in digital on channel 26 from Mount Seymour at Max ERP 27.5 kW from at 615.4 EHAAT (which would not reach Victoria).

Broadcasting Notice of Consultation CRTC 2010-720

PDF version

Ottawa, 28 September 2010

Notice of application received

Vancouver, British Columbia
Deadline for submission of interventions/comments: 18 October 2010

The Commission has received the following application:

[Broadcasting interventions/comments form]

Applicant and Locality

1. Rogers Broadcasting Limited
Vancouver, British Columbia
Application No. 2010-1430-8

1. Vancouver, British Columbia
Application No. 2010-1430-8
Attachment (http://www.crtc.gc.ca/public/broad/applications/2010/2010-1430-8.zip)

Application by Rogers Broadcasting Limited to amend the broadcasting licence for the conventional television programming undertaking CKVU-TV Vancouver.

The licensee proposes to add two post-transitional digital transmitters to serve the Vancouver and Victoria areas.

The Vancouver transmitter would operate on channel 33 with an average effective radiated power (ERP) of 4,300 watts (maximum ERP of 8,300 watts with an effective height of antenna above average terrain (EHAAT) of 670 metres).

The Victoria rebroadcasting transmitter would operate on channel 27 with an ERP of 1,647 watts (maximum ERP of 2,750 watts with an EHAAT of 99.6 metres).

These changes would lead to a decrease in the population in the local service area from 2,575,800 to 2,359,380 (-8.4%) and a decrease in the regional service area from 2,867,120 to 2,821,930 (-1.5%).

The Commission notes that the application for the Vancouver digital transmitter is in compliance with Notice No. SMBR-006-08 – Publication of the Digital Television (DTV) Post-Transitional Allotment Plan of the Department of Industry. However, the application for the proposed Victoria digital transmitter is not in compliance with this plan.

Licensee's address:

333 Bloor Street East
Toronto, Ontario
M4W1G9
Fax: 416-935-8203
E-mail: susan.wheeler@rci.rogers.com

Examination of application:

City-TV Vancouver
180 West 2nd Avenue
Vancouver British Columbia

and

98.5 The OCEAN
817 Fort Street
Victoria, British Columbia

Well that completely addresses my concerns! If accepted, CKVU would be on 33 from Mt. Seymour and on 27 in Victoria.

That would explain 33.1 wanting to go to 32.1 CTV

Based on thier map Nanaimo is with in their digital contour for the Mt. Seymour transmitter. It starts to be outside of the digital serive area past Lantzville. As with all the Mt. Seymour transmitters places near Parksville and north are in the frindge reseption areas. Hence why Courtenay used to have translator stations.

For me in Nanaimo CKVU's plans are great news! I presently get their low power Mt. Seymour setup with no problem. I can not get analog CKVU from Salt Sprint worth beans as it is a big scramled mess for me on VHF 10 (Ironically it used to work sort-of okay but very weak back in the UHF 21 days) My proximity to Mt Benson maybe be the cause of my current analog 10 woes from Salt Spring.

I look forwad to CKVU's plans and hope they are approved.

... I for got to say that the CKVU analog contour must have been based on the land having absolutly no topography.

... I for got to say that the CKVU analog contour must have been based on the land having absolutly no topography.

Yes, the old fashioned contour maps don't take topography into account and are strictly based on the antenna's HAAT and the ERP in a given direction. They are now being replaced by a new type of computer generated map (the name of which escapes me for the moment) that use colour to show an estimate of how strong the signal will be at a given location.

AFAIK, contours (which are based on EHAAT radial out to 16 km only) are still used. I think the L-R and other methodologies are only used for short-spacing analysis.

And if the application already conforms to the post-transition allotment plan, a short-spacing analysis is not required. (Also, if the new allocation is not actually short-spaced, no new detailed analaysis iis necessary.)

Note that none of the analyses specified in the BETS document require anyone to do FM harmonic analysis on VHF-hi, which can be a serious issue.

would love to see omni1 digital move back to CN Tower

I must say I like what Rogers is doing with CKVU as the people of Vancouver and Victoria will be much better served with two, lower power local transmitters than one larger one that is further away. If only more broadcasters would do this and have transmitters (or better yet stations) in both cities. This would make the use of indoor antennas feasible for those who can't install outdoor ones and make aiming easier as all the transmitters would be in the same direction.

The only unfortunate thing is some people outside Vancouver and Victoria will lose reception, but this could be resolved with a multicast service transmitter to service the south-western island.