: OTA Station Status: Montréal, QC, Northern NY & VT



tresbojaco
2009-02-24, 10:30 AM
It seems that the 33.1 is now the same as 33.2.
Anybody knows what happen to PBS HD 33.1, as it stop broadcasting? or is it defective...

patook
2009-02-24, 10:42 AM
it seems to be the same also with 57.1! It's as if they share the same programming as their old analog stations!

Blackburst
2009-02-24, 11:01 AM
- It seems that both WETK-DT 32 (33.1) & WCFE-DT 38 (57.1) are running the same programs on their .1 & .2 streams. The .2 is a center cut 4x3 of the .1
This seems to be more the case with WCFE-DT. The WETK-DT is really a mess, as they seem to have destroyed their HD images on their .1
I wish both of these stations would stop the center cut 4x3 stream on their .2 . The images don't always work. I have seen supers out of safe zones. It would be better if they just stopped it, and used the extra bandwidth to decrease the compression on their other sub-channels. Perhaps even have them presented on 480p (wide) instead of 480i. Since I'm a member of both channels (member supported), I'll send them both a e-mail when I get the time.

- I spotted this morning the CBS overnight news feed on WFFF-DT 43 (44.2). What is up with WFFF-DT? I understand if they did this becuase their was no CBS affiliate in this market. But their is one. And a very good one. Can't they put something else on. This station has it's hands in all the networks. FOX (44.1), CW & CBS (44.2), and they also run WVNY-DT ABC (22.1).

- Now that the analogue stations are shut down in the Burlington/Plattsburgh market...what are the station ID's suppose to be according to the FCC. I noticed that WPTZ is indicating WPTZ-TV 5, WPTZ-DT 14. WCAX still indicates WCAX-TV 3. Vermont PBS indicates the remap channel only. And I haven't seen anything from WCFE-DT. What are the new requirements?

Kro
2009-02-24, 11:02 AM
See this article for an explanation.

http://www.current.org/dtv/dtv0802hd.shtml

The PBS Board endorsed the plan last week, reallocating satellite capacity for the fall and discontinuing the original HD Channel, a loop of eye-candy video used to demonstrate the great looks of high-def.

Blackburst
2009-02-24, 11:12 AM
The problem with Vermont PBS is that they have cut the national PBS HD feed from their .1 stream, and merged it with their old local .2 stream. That is okay. But what is not okay is that they are now presenting a none HD service on .1 of shows that are available in HD. You'll notice this when you go over to WCFE-DT. The same show on their .1 stream is in HD, while WETK-DT's is a 4x3 letterboxed none HD image. If Vermont PBS is not ready to merge their local and national PBS HD service, then they should stop what they are currently doing.

Brian_O
2009-02-24, 04:39 PM
Blackburst:

The problem with Vermont PBS is that they have cut the national PBS HD feed from their .1 stream,

The PBS HD channel has been discontinued, so VPT had no choice. The same goes for Mountain Lake PBS. PBS's plans are outlined in the article referenced by Kro

Brian_O
2009-02-24, 05:08 PM
I spotted this morning the CBS overnight news feed on WFFF-DT 43 (44.2). What is up with WFFF-DT? I understand if they did this becuase their was no CBS affiliate in this market. But their is one. And a very good one. Can't they put something else on. This station has it's hands in all the networks. FOX (44.1), CW & CBS (44.2), and they also run WVNY-DT ABC (22.1).

WFFF-DT is the CW affiliate in Burlington. Prior to the formation of the CW, WFFF was the local WB affiliate. Then the CW was formed by the merger of the UPN and the WB networks. At the time of the merger UPN was owned by Viacom which also owns CBS. So the "C" in CW actually stands for CBS and the "W" for Warner Brothers. CBS supplies some programming to the CW. So what you saw was a CW program that orignated from CBS.
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balm
2009-02-24, 10:46 PM
By the way, I have lost reception of TQS-DT for 2 weeks now, they are gone suddenly for me, 0% nada
hungt1999:

Same for me, I thought it was the antenna, also I saw a previous post about TQS going off...can't recall where or when, but not long ago, and no detail

patook
2009-02-24, 11:20 PM
TQS is still on but at much lower power...used to be 95%...now 81-82%

Shame that the PBS national HD channel is gone! There was at least a consistency in image quality...now it's iffy at best on both 33.1 & 57.1 Some programs are window boxed on 33.1 which is hard to watch!

balm
2009-02-25, 12:07 PM
received the following:

CTV Montréal has always transmitted from Mount Royal. The decision to convert to a digital signal will be made by the CTV Network for all its affiliates and publicized at that time. It is intended to be Channel 21. Thank you for your interest.

Operations Manager,
CTV Montréal

Is it not intended to be ultimately channel # 12.1

foxfan
2009-02-25, 01:51 PM
The so-called "manager" didn't know what they were talking about. All official documents point to CFCF flash-cutting on 12.

21 is the channel they were given to broadcast on during the transition, but since we are so close to 2011 it would be a waste of money to buy a UHF transmitter only to have to buy a VHF one in two years.

CBMT (CBC) will be moving from channel 20 to channel 21 in 2011.

FraserR
2009-02-25, 05:22 PM
Patook post 1118, my take on it is that the transition is working just about the way I expected, and that is probably true for everyone. For people who expected huge problems, they saw problems. For people who expected a smooth transition, they tackled it and they got to thier end solution, just as they expected. For politicians, they look to blame the stations, which is easy. Stations like to blame politicians, which is easy. I expected to talk to a million people who need help, and so I am talking,,,all day long.

We need to remember the transition was going to yield this result, now or in June. People will spin it which ever way they want to see it.

For folks trying to re scan WCAX in on the new OTA, in some cases deleteing the old remapped channel 3.1 , will help the box remap the new OTA to 3.1. Also, doing a limited scan to just add the new channels can help by keeping the other channels that you do not want to lose in memory.

Things are still very busy here, hope the transition is treating you all well.

balm
2009-02-25, 08:34 PM
foxfan:

I guess this illustrates their mentality re. DT. This bugs me, now I feel like writing them back!

hungt1999
2009-02-26, 08:33 AM
For me, last evening reception of all the Mt Mansfield stations was much better than usual, even WVNY-DT came in at 65% so I enjoyed watching LOST in HD.

This morning, it is back to the usual 35-40% which is not enough to lock

Kro
2009-02-26, 10:09 AM
I ask them about 33.2 and yes they will remove it soon.

We are planning to remove the second digital feed at some point in the near future. Also in the near future, we will be broadcasting in full HD where HD is available on the first digital channel.


I ask them if they had plan to broadcast 33.3 and 33.4 in 16:9.


Right now the programming on the third and fourth digital channel are in standard definition and the programs themselves are designed to be in a 4:3 format.


I guess that the answer is no.

erikmh
2009-02-26, 10:11 AM
Blackburst, post 1142: I just got e-mail back from VPT's Director of Engineering, who wrote:PBS has changed the "HD Feed" to be both programs that are native HD and upconverted SD programs as well. Additionally, we've had to start local programming on the HD channel, so you will see more upconverted programming. We are working on local HD recording and playback. You can expect improvements shortly.

Regarding the duplication of signals on .1 and .2, he wrote: At some point we'll drop the duplication, I don't know what will happen to the .2, though.

I also asked about when WVTB (analog, channel 20, Burke Mt.) would go dark, as I'd like to increase my odds of getting CBMT-DT 6.1 from 1:1000000 to 1:1000. He replied: Probably in less than a month, depending on FCC requirements (they did not allow us to sign off right away).

Kro
2009-02-26, 12:17 PM
Even if there's little chance to get this station, here's the latest (fcc application (http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/cdbsmenu.hts?context=25&appn=101296657&formid=911&fac_num=77515)).
BY ITS RECENT REPORT AND ORDER AND SUA SPONTE ORDER ON RECONSIDERATION IN THE MATTER OF IMPLEMENTATION OF THE DTV DELAY ACT, FCC 09-9, RE. FEB. 13, 2009, THE COMMISSION EXTENDED PREVIOUS GRANTS OF SPECIAL TEMPORARY AUTHORITY FOR STATIONS OPERATING REDUCED POWER ANALOG FACILITIES TO REFLECT THE NEW DTV TRANSITION DATE OF JUNE 12, 2009. OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION, HOWEVER, WCWF(TV) HEREBY SEEKS AN EXTENSION OF THE TEMPORARY AUTHORITY PURSUANT TO WHICH THE ANALOG STATION IS CURRENTLY BROADCASTING. SEE FCC FILE NO. BSTA-20081218ADN. RECENTLY, WCWF(TV) FILED AN ASSIGNMENT APPLICATION WITH THE COMMISSION SEEKING CONSENT TO THE ASSIGNMENT OF THE STATION'S PERMIT. ALLOWING THE STATION TO CONTINUE OPERATING IN ANALOG WITH THE CURRENT TEMPORARY PARAMETERS WILL MAINTAIN THE STATION'S SERVICE TO THE PUBLIC, AND THUS, GRANT OF THIS STA IS IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST. FURTHER, IN COORDINATION WITH THE PROPOSED ASSIGNEE THE STATION IS PREPARING FOR THE DIGITAL CONVERSION BY THE NEW JUNE 12, 2009 DEADLINE.

Kro
2009-02-26, 02:21 PM
Good new's! TQS is back to normal.

hungt1999
2009-02-26, 02:33 PM
Kro

did you lose TQS-DT over the last two weeks like me?

also, with WVNY-DT, can you check if from your location, the reception drops during the day and increases during evenings? for me, I can only watch it in evenings typically past 7pm

Kro
2009-02-26, 05:26 PM
did you lose TQS-DT over the last two weeks like me?

also, with WVNY-DT, can you check if from your location, the reception drops during the day and increases during evenings? for me, I can only watch it in evenings typically past 7pm
Did'nt lost TQS but it droped from 95% to 60. (Now it's back to normal)

Yes i get WVNY-DT slightly lower during the day (~5%).