: OTA Station Status: Montréal, QC, Northern NY & VT



intravino
2009-01-07, 01:25 PM
It is the same thing on their St-Albans Repeater.

Installation : Alarm On.

mille
2009-01-07, 02:05 PM
I hope that the ERP's will change because
CFTM at 11Kw ...!
Actually i can catch channel 10 very clear in the Laurentians mountains, 90 KM from Mt-Royal. At 11Kw, not sure i will have a lock !!
Same for CFCF 12 !!And GLOBAL at 800Kw ! They actually broadcast at 30 Kw !
Very strange ERP's...:o

mr_raider
2009-01-07, 03:34 PM
You need more power at higher frequencies to generate the same signal strength.

Global's signal sucks right now. I can see the damn tower from my window and I get fuzz. WVNY-22 comes in stronger.

FraserR
2009-01-07, 04:42 PM
reply to foxfan (post 808) I am amazed that analogue and digital can live on adjecent channels in the same antenna. ref tv 33 and OTA 32 (33.1), both in one antenna. The filtering in DTV is designed to prevent problems, must be it works.

Does anyone know if the OTA modulation scheme in canada will play on our Sony DTV set, here on Mt. Mansfield?

A viewer observed when using a rotor, the DT has to be rescanned, every time he changes from one group of channels to another from a different mountain. Any of you know of a way to get a TV to remember one set of scanned freqs, and adding a new bunch from a different direction?

stampeder
2009-01-07, 04:49 PM
Does anyone know if the OTA modulation scheme in canada will play on our Sony DTV set, here on Mt. Mansfield? Yep, its exactly the same. :)

Regarding the rescanning, most new HDTVs allow you to manually enter stations too, so it depends on the actual model's features.

Yuprules
2009-01-08, 10:42 AM
I agree with stampeder, my Samsung TV lets me punch in a DTV channel number, it tries to scan...if it fails it goes analog. I had shifted my antenna around to watch Olympics in HD on CBC and didn't want to rescan.

foxfan
2009-01-08, 12:50 PM
With Samsung you have to rescan, but if your antenna rotates and don't want to lose the ones already in memory, you can do only a partial rescan. It actually starts from the channel it is on, so if you want to rescan to get WCAX on 22 and don't want to lose CBMT on 20, set your TV to analog channel 21 (snow) and start the scan from there. Once it flashes on 22 and gets to 23 just press cancel. You might have 3-1 duplicated though, so maybe it would be best to tune to channel 52, start the scan and cancel once it skips over 53.

Blackburst
2009-01-08, 01:06 PM
Wow, very different from the Sharp Aquos rescans. All recans start at Channel 2 no matter what channel you're on. But, it will allow manual control to enter channels.

Also, once it recans and remaps the station, you can tune into the channel by simply entering the actual channel the station is broadcasting on.

Example:

If I enter 53, then it goes directly to 3.1. This is great at it requires less keys to hit on the remote.

This seems to work for all the DT channels I get, except for WCFE-DT. I enter 38, and it doesn't jump to 57.1. It stays on analog 38 which is snow. A bit of a pain in the ass as it requires more keys to be entered. It must be something that WCFE-DT is not sending in their re-map data to the ATSC tuner, because it use to work in early 2008.

Also on side note. I'm still having problems with WFFF-DT 43. The signal is very unstable. Some days it comes in (very weak) and other days no signal at all. How are others doing with WFFF-DT

STL
2009-01-08, 01:49 PM
My WFFF signal has been stable in the low 80's for the past 2-3 weeks. The snow storm yesterday did not affect the signal.

My WVNY signal seems to be quite weather dependant however. I usually get a lock in the 50's, but when there is intense precipitation the signal drops to below digital lock.

mille
2009-01-08, 02:52 PM
Lost WFFF since few weeks, came back just few hours last week...
Winter is hard for DTV reception in my case...
Lose WETK often, same for WCAX, my two best american channels are WPTZ DT ( always strong ) and WVNY 22 analog:(

FraserR
2009-01-08, 06:02 PM
Thanks for the rescan info, it is a help. It seems the best general advice is that the systems are all different. People need to explore thier own systems to find what works for them. I will share these suggestions with viewers, thanks again.

The WFFF signals, as well as the rest of the signals from here, are normal. they are at full power, and it seems the weather does not affect them here at the transmit end.

Last shift there were so many calls from people working on recieving DT, it appears the info blitz is getting to a lot of new people.

FraserR
2009-01-09, 10:46 AM
Last post I said WFFF was at full power, turns out it is down just a little bit from full power. One amp is in trouble.

Blackburst
2009-01-09, 02:27 PM
I was looking at the Canadian post DTV list. And, I noticed that CJOH-TV 8 will end up being CJOH-DT 45 in Cornwall,ON. Does that mean that Channel 8 will be freed up in our area. If so, I hope one of the US stations parks on it. Perhaps this could be the solution we need concerning WVNY-DT. Anybody else see any problem with any other Channel 8's in the area.

roger1818
2009-01-09, 02:38 PM
I was looking at the Canadian post DTV list. And, I noticed that CJOH-TV 8 will end up being CJOH-DT 45 in Cornwall,ON. Does that mean that Channel 8 will be freed up in our area. If so, I hope one of the US stations parks on it. Perhaps this could be the solution we need concerning WVNY-DT. Anybody else see any problem with any other Channel 8's in the area.

Although CJOH-TV-8 will remain on their transitional allocation of 45 after the shutdown, channel 8 is still allocated for a (theoretical) new station in Cornwall. It is unlikely that an American station in the area could use it, but a Canadian station in nearby city might be able to get it if they wanted.

mille
2009-01-09, 02:47 PM
Don't forget that CHEM TV 8 in Trois-Rivières will broadcast digital in channel 8 . Don't remember it's propose ERP but it's the same situation with CKTM DT 13 and WVNY DT 13
Trois Rivières still not that far

Blackburst
2009-01-09, 03:02 PM
Yes, I forgot about CHEM-TV. But a directional signal much like WPTZ-DT 14 might work for all of us in the area.

As for a future theoretical new station in Cornwall is a little too much of a bad excuse to block up channels, especially on a border area. Channels 7 - 13 will become prime real estate in the new DT era. And for them to block up one of those channels is a little too much. As it stands, most of those Channels in the area are in the hands of Canadain broadcasters....

7 - CHLT-TV (Sherbrooke)
8 - CJOH-TV (Cornwall), CHEM-TV (Trois-Rivieres)
9 - CKSH- TV (Sherbrooke), CBOFT-TV (Ottawa)
10 - CFTM-TV (Montreal)
11 - CKMI-TV (Sherbrooke)
12 - CFCF-TV (Montreal)
13 - CJOH-TV (Ottawa), CKTM-TV (Trois-Rivieres), WVNY-DT (Burlington)

Talk about having the prime real estate licenses in OTA in the area.
And then squating on a Channel 8 in Cornwall.

mille
2009-01-09, 03:18 PM
They ( IC ) block channel 15 too in Montreal ....it could be a good alternative for WVNY , no ?

Blackburst
2009-01-09, 03:28 PM
Channel 15 would be great as well. But, I think the folks at WVNY wanted to use VHF as a better way to get their signal to their viewers in a region with plenty of mountains. Good idea, but no power on their Channel 13 transmiter. End result, not such a good idea.

As for Channel 15 being blocked in Montreal, what's up with that? The same with Channel 14 being blocked in Sherbrooke. I'm sure the folks in Sherbrooke would like to get WPTZ-DT 14. As I'm sure people in North East Vermont, and upper part of New Hampshire would as well.

I think the US border broadcasters, along with areas US Senators & US Congressman, need to have a serious talk with the FCC about Industry Canada blocking up channels. You can't block up channels for possible future stations that may never happen. If and when they happen, then deal with the channels that are available.

mille
2009-01-09, 03:57 PM
VHF 13 is a great channel, yes, i can pick up WVNY in the Laurentians, 80 KM north of Montreal, but only at 25, sometimes 30 %, not enough for a lock.
So, yes, Ch 13 is travelling very well in mountainous regions....but not enough juice in there antenna .... 1 Kw , i think, in our direction....:rolleyes:

DjiPi
2009-01-12, 11:10 AM
I wrote an email to Télé-Québec and got an answer from a very reliable source that requested not to be disclosed stating that if all goes well, their HD broadcast should start January 19th. I bet that Yagi's pictures posted in the french (http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=54758) thread that I mentionned in the request might have add credibility to the suspense and hit the right person.