Other signal locations without any picture include: 14.1 (CFCF),

What makes you think this is CFCF? To the best of my knowledge, they haven't even applied for a Transitional Digital License yet and until they receive one, they wouldn't be allowed to do any testing.

I had the CFCF station designation show up when I would access 14.1 - I do not get it anymore.

Signal strength is still 89%, but now I have no designation, no picture and sound. I honestly do not think CTV (CFCF) has any short term plans for "Over the Air" DT transmissions. In a previous post, I read that everything is up to the their Toronto head office.

WCFE - Update Tv

WCFE have added two new subchannels probably for 'datacasting' since they are Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B. It would be nice if someone at PBS could confirm or deny.

The following link explain briefly what datacasting is about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UpdateTV.

Confirmed by techno57 Mountain TV guy on the other forum:WCFE/Mountain Lake PBS is now providing the UpdateTV service on two low bandwidth data channels through an agreement with PBS National Datacast. For more information go to:

http://www.updatelogic.com/

I wonder if there is a plan for such a service in Canada. Marc might have heard something about this.

I live in Ville Saint Laurent, did a channel scan...did not pick up any of the above "new stations" including 14.1 which I WISH was CTV HD in Montreal...sigh. :) Anyone else pick up these "new channels"?

I just noticed something, you are in Deux Montanges which is closer to Ottawa of course and clear of the city of Montreal:

14-1 is assigned to: CJMT 14 Ottawa, it shows that it is "slated to go live in July 2008". Maybe they are testing.

EDIT: IGNORE THIS, could be just the tv not showing "no signal". See page 32 for details.

I am no longer picking up any signal designation on either 14.1 or 14.2. Yes, I am picking up 14.3 (NBC),14.7, 19.3(CBC French), 20.3 (CBC), 32.3, 32.4, 32.5, 38.3, 38.4, 38.5, 43.3, 43.4, 53.1, 53.2, - with image and sound. I must manually press these stations to find station (they do NOT show up when performing a scan???).

I find it weird that these stations do not show up using a scan. Basically they are copy locations of other stations (possible future locations). Can anybody explain what is going on?

I have the following stations with signals have NO image or sound: 14.1, 14.2, 14.4, 14.5, 14.6, 14.8, 14.9, 19.1, 19.2, 19.4, 19.5, 19.6, 19.7, 19.8, 19.9, 38.1, 38.2, 38.6, 38.7, 38.8, and 38.9, to mention a few.

mog7546
Maybe that's how your TV handles stations that don't exist or there is no signal? You nearly named every channel that HDTV's show, NONE of those numbers you mentioned are broadcasting in Quebec/Ontario.

On my tv, when I punch in a number that doesn't exist from the scan, it tells me "no signal" and a blank screen with no sound. Maybe yours doesn't say no signal and just shows a blank screen with no sound...that CFCF might had been a "previous channel" glitch. My tv does that actually (Samsung), if I was on a previous channel say WCAX and I go to a channel that doesn't exist or low signal (like Fox 44 WFFF)...it KEEPS the WCAX on the screen for a while. It does disappear though.

Only channels that show up with a scan HAVE signal. Does 14.1 show up on the SCAN? if not...well...I think nothing is there and the tv just confused you.

I think we can call off the search for new stations in our area folks.

14-1 is assigned to: CJMT 14 Ottawa, it shows that it is "slated to go live in July 2008". Maybe they are testing.

I doubt it. Rogers recently told me that they have applied for and received another extension for the date CFMT-DT and CJMT-DT must go live in Ottawa and that they don't have an updated schedule.

I need to send an update to Daniel for that page.

have the following stations with signals have NO image or sound: 14.1, 14.2, 14.4, 14.5, 14.6, 14.8, 14.9, 19.1, 19.2, 19.4, 19.5, 19.6, 19.7, 19.8, 19.9, 38.1, 38.2, 38.6, 38.7, 38.8, and 38.9, to mention a few.


your TV is reporting physical datastreams.
14 = WPTZ (NBC)
19 = CBFT (SRC)
38 = WCFE (PBS)

These are the physical channels used for the DTV stations. A scan would report them using their logical channels, namely 5.x, 2.x, 57.x

TVl

I am picking up 14.3 (NBC),14.7, 19.3(CBC French), 20.3 (CBC), 32.3, 32.4, 32.5, 38.3, 38.4, 38.5, 43.3, 43.4, 53.1, 53.2, - with image and sound.

I must manually press these stations to get station (they do NOT show up when performing a scan???).

These are NOT new stations. Example 14.3 is the same station as 5.1 (NBC); 19.3 is the same station as 2.1 (Radio Canada); etc...

Are these stations with images and sounds also "datastreams", or future locations for these channels???

mog7546, tvlurker is correct.

You'll need to read through the following thread to understand "remapping" and "locking". It will explain what you are seeing and why you simply need to scan and not bother manually entering any stations:

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=49384

Thanks for the information found on the other post. So, finding stations in more than one location is normal?

So, finding stations in more than one location is normal?

It is common for digital tuners to let you manually find channels by their physical channel number, since it won't know the re-mapped number until it has found the physical channel. The method for doing this varies from tuner to tuner.

For some reason, most of the time the full schedule presented on my on screen programming (CBS, NBC, PBS, etc...) is incorrect, ie either the current time is off or the program list is off, any clues why this is hapening ? (fyi: I am using a digital stream ATSC tuner if this is relevant)

Thks

Yes, there is a problem with either the stations at their end or with your TV in handling PSIP data.

You can read about PSIP here:

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=49384

My question is whether other folks in the Montreal area are seeing the same problems with station PSIP data from the U.S.?

The data has been wrong for the last few weeks, even on Illico Videotron digital cable (the data is from my cable provider set top box, not the TV)...it's in fact showing the "same wrong data" for the show that is currently on. Example, watching CBS on OTA, shows the wrong show, Illico Videotron Digital cable...showing same wrong show data.

Mostly been happening on CBS and NBC.

I have not had any missing information or no time information from my Samsung HDTV OTA...it's just been showing the wrong show that is "currently on". My tv doesn't have a full schedule info, it just has "what's on now" with the time slot of the show and it's been wrong for many shows for the last week or more.

When I first got my Tv, I forgot to change the time zone, and it was showing the wrong time and show...but I fixed that by changing it to -5 Eastern :)

Hard to diagnose your problem since there IS a problem, even last night...NBC showed "Gladiator info" when the show was already OVER an hour ago. Before that, it was showing that "a certain show was on now", but it was ANOTHER show that really on.

Okay that seems to me to be the answer since both of you are seeing it. Is anyone else able to confirm the problem?

If so, the problem is with the U.S. stations and their PSIP data and you should probably email them about what you're seeing.

Same here with the Sharp Aquos...
and CBFT-DT 19 have the same problem, showing info about the next ( hour ) show :o

CBFT-DT time is off by one hour, on my tuner I can choose wich channel to use to get the time and CBFT is off by one hour, CBS is off by ten minutes the only one that seem reliable is WETK-DT.

You can post that in the CBC thread I guess Mark could have that fix.

With all the different clock settings and EPG data messing up your ATSC tuners I would suggest that Montreal area OTAers should be emailing the offending stations (nicely!) to remind them of the problems. Also you could invite their technicians to join here too. As Kro said, you could post in the CBC thread here at DHC for Mark's attention.

From what I have read, this isn't that uncommon. In the US, the FCC requires stations to provide accurate schedule data and a clock that is accurate to within 1 second, but it seems the stations are having problems with this. Part of the problem is that the stations are leery of putting equipment used for broadcasting on their computer network for security reasons. This means the schedule information and clock must be updated manually, which makes it prone to human error. There are ways around this but many smaller stations don't have the IT resources or knowledge to set this up.