Yes, it is CHWI channel 60 changing to channel 26 on Jan.08 according to a full page add in the Windsor Star.

The problem with 29 is that CIII is transmitting from Sarnia/Oil Springs on that frequency. The PT allocation power is 450,000 watts. I was hoping that CIII would be receivable on 29, despite it's two edge status here (it's weak on analog now but better than 6 from Paris.) Now IC puts CBC on the same frequency in KW at 110,000 watts. What a stupid decision for the London area.

I heard that a Detroit area cell phone carrier wanted the CHWI frequency cleared. It's amazing what a little financial incentive will do. :D

The problem with 29 is that CIII is transmitting from Sarnia/Oil Springs on that frequency. The PT allocation power is 450,000 watts. I was hoping that CIII would be receivable on 29, despite it's two edge status here (it's weak on analog now but better than 6 from Paris.) Now IC puts CBC on the same frequency in KW at 110,000 watts. What a stupid decision for the London area.
Global only requested 100 KW on top of the CN Tower to reach Barrie. I doubt that Global will go with 450 KW - it would be the most powerful DT station in Canada so far. To get London, a lower power Sarnia/Oil Springs transmitter with a low power repeater into the London city area would seem to make more sense.

I just found Broadcasting Notice of Consultation CRTC 2010-624 (http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2010/2010-624.htm) and Broadcasting Decision CRTC 2010-795 (http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2010/2010-795.htm) which cover this change to CHWI-TV-60 .

Looking at the application to change CHWI-TV-60:


they plan on using the same antenna and are only replacing the NTSC transmitter (the transmitter chosen will likely be convertible to ATSC),
It will continue to use the same maximum ERP so the coverage are will increase.
This change will also require WLPC-LP, channel 26, Detroit to change channels, and
The estimated cost is $250,000 (I wonder if Verizon is footing the bill).

I doubt that Global will go with 450 KW
You could be right. They have not yet been approved but Shaw promised to make the conversion. That will make the situation in the London area even worse with CBC in K/W at 110Kw.

Anyone have any idea where WLPC is going to wind up?

Yes, it is CHWI channel 60 changing to channel 26 on Jan.08 according to a full page add in the Windsor Star.
See http://atv.ca/london/promo/windsorchange/index.html

Anyone have any idea where WLPC is going to wind up?2.34 kW on RF40 eventually. Whoever gets the new TBN digital 47 now might also get WLPC digital.

I meant WLPC-LP, channel 26. Has it relocated to another unprotected frequency or just gone dark?

oops.... yea it's totally dark now. Not sure if they would even bother with any more analog until they get 40 lit up though.

CHWI-DT ? Well this was the weekend for it to be DIGITAL on channel 26 for the Windsor area ?

Maybe I'm missing something as my Sharp says it is an ANALOG signal .Can't scan it in on the DVR or converter box .

Went to Essex area and as it was snowie ,it really confirms its not digital .

Great start for the Cdn content in this area after a 2 week advertising campaign .Dollars should have been spent testing the equipment or telling the public what the real plan was....:mad: Since they spent the least on the hardware conversion in the area ,it shows what you get .

IIRC, the idea was switching to 26 but staying on analog until the conversion deadline.

That makes sense, sort of. Free up the frequency to make Verizon happy in the US but to heck with Canadian viewers until the deadline. :confused:

Free up the frequency to make Verizon happy
And unhappy, because it forced WLPC-LP off the air.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WLPC-LP

And unhappy, because it forced WLPC-LP off the air.
LOL. I guess Verizon trumps Jesus in Windsor/Detroit. ;)

IIRC, the idea was switching to 26 but staying on analog until the conversion deadline.


Ah ,so a media campaign to fool the public ,as most were caught expecting to be fully digital .I guess they now have people wandering as the true message was hidden . Wait till Aug 2011.

http://atv.ca/london/promo/windsorchange/index.html

Should have noticed that 60 was removed ,but 16 remained was the clue of the intent .

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?p=1142167

a media campaign to fool the publicAll it says in that ad is that they're changing OTA channels. No harm, no foul, IMHO, but given the close time frame to the DTV conversion it would have been nice had they clarified that it was not (yet?) a DTV transition.

Like others have pointed out.../A\ (CHWI TV-60) in downtown Windsor is NOW using 26 analog. What most may not know is that this change has *SEVERELY* crippled..., even eliminated previous reception of Cleveland's WVIZ PBS (RF 26) here! Had no trouble picking up WVIZ essentially 24/7 before this. It had been one of the better Cleveland stations for digital strengh all the way across Lake Erie since moving to WKYC's tower. No other available PBS station within OTA reach carries the PBS World sub channel either. The end of an era for many Essex county Canadian WVIZ viewers. http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/images/icons/icon9.gif
Damn you CTVgm! I am beyond pissed because of your latest POOR channel decision.

CHWI-TV60 was originally going with digital 25 (in the IC DB) for post transitional use, but abruptly flip flopped and applied for 26 until the transition and now they want to sit on CH 26 FOREVER? Why? They should be on 25 after Aug 31, 2011 only. CTVgm are shooting themselves in the foot here. Using CH 26 freq for analog or digital is not a good plan. I live 26.3 miles southeast of CHWI-TV60 (26), and see a WORSE picture than what the suprisingly clear CH 60 analog broadcast looked like. WVIZ-DT is definitely adding digital snow to it. To top that off, Cleveland area stations can become *significantly* enhanced (outside of a tropo events) for long durations late in the day due to Lake Erie ducting around here. This happens especially on warmer spring/summer/fall afternoons and evenings. At these times CH 26 in Windsor will likely be hammered plenty by WVIZ-DT. I also wouldn't be surprised if even Windsorites watching on the E or SE side of the city might see a slightly degraded CH 26 picture at times because of this.

Still, why did CTV outright abandon CH 25 plans so abruptly? They chose CH 25 long ago and that's where they would be best suited to operate IMO. The previous WLPC-TV26 low power station just 1 mile away right across the Detroit river didn't ever interfere with WVIZ-DT here before, so CHWI-TV60 CH 26 shouldn't either. (But it does!)

In took comparison readings of signal strength/quality of WVIZ here before and after CHWI started on CH 26. WVIZ-DT had registered 7-8 out of 10 bars on my TV and ~65% signal strength and 100% quality on the Centronics ZAT502 ATSC tuner box in the last few weeks straight. Now WVIZ-DT is either 1 out of 10 bars with non stop dropouts or just gone completely, and the ZAT502 ATSC box cannot decode the signal either. It's signal bar displays a low 50's fluctuating sig strength (RF voltage?) and the sig quality (SNR?) is near zero percent. Some light ducting or atmospheric enhancement at one point yesterday (Mon) made WVIZ decodable again (TV=5-6/10 and ZAT502=~62% sig 100% qual) and gave CHWI the boot for a while, but now CHWI NTSC is back on 26 and even visible through the snow with the antennas pointing at Cleveland.

WTF. This is turning into a MESS.

Picking up digital TV here 'between major markets land' is fast becoming more and more impossible with the gradual loss of stations that folks in this region had no trouble picking up before. All the US/Canadian stations sharing the same frequencies 120 mi or less apart is more than just annoying. I feel for those people that spent a small fortune putting up towers and going with three antennas combined together, each pointed at one of the three U.S markets instead of using a rotor+one antenna. I have seen more and more of these setups around here lately. The co-channel must be killing their reception of some channels completely now.

ScaryBob is probably right...Verizon wireless probably did push CTVgm along with a $nudge$ into shutting down old CH 60 early so they could grab their spectrum in the Detroit Metro area months before our digital transition played itself out. Wonder why there have been zero complaints about CBLFT CH 68 in Sarnia?
What was so 'BAD' with CH 25? TVO CICO-TV32 won't be utilizing 25 at all. Flash cutting on 32 instead. How is it that no one realized there is a 150kW full power PBS station just 90-95 miles southeast of Windsor? Even dispite WVIZ's directional null to the north, there was still plenty of signal for reliable decoding here where I am well inland from lake Erie. (~4 miles)

Common CTVgm, for the sake of your viewers, make sure CHWI-DT in downtown Windsor ENDS UP ON DIGITAL 25 (YOUR ORIGINAL INDUSTRY CANADA ALLOTMENT). That channel was the best choice. As far as I can see, nobody is using CH 25 for up to 150 miles in every direction (list of CH25's from Trip's site (http://www.rabbitears.info/statistics.php?request=channel_list&channel=25&sort=state)).

abnutcracker mentions expectations.. I'm sure there were many improperly informed people in Windsor who saw or heard this 'Big Announcement' message on the news or in the local paper and thought that this finally meant /A\ was converting to digital TV. I can just wonder how many of those people simply abandoned the station once and for all when they discovered the same old garbage analog signal as before.
I found it funny that the local PSA on /A\ and the CTVgm owned radio stations in this area said "...where you can still watch /A\ news and all your favourite /A\ programs, just change the channel to 26..." Really, how many even watch CHWI outside of 6pm when all the exact same programming is shown at the same time in HD OTA from Detroit? I would love to see daily viewer numbers outside of the local /A\ newscast.


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Just for the hell of it, here's a ever growing list of U.S digitals at my location that have been lost/ruined due to co-channel where all were decodable without problems before.

1. WQHS-DT RF34 Univision Cleveland has ZERO chance because of local station CFTV-TV CH34 analog. (2006-present)
2. WUAB-DT RF28 MyTV Cleveland comes and goes at times because of WFUM-DT/now WCMZ-DT. (mostly outside of Wintertime)
3. WJW-DT RF8 FOX Cleveland lost basically most of the time because of WUDT-DT RF8 new Daystar low power in Detroit. (Apr. 2010-present)
4. WNWO-DT RF49 NBC Toledo frequently obliterated because of new WDLI-DT RF49 TBN huge ERP giant now. (mid Nov. 2010-present)
5. WVIZ-DT RF26 PBS Cleveland lost because of CHWI-TV60 RF 26 *analog*. (Jan 8,2011-present)
...a guess at which one might be next.
6. WPXD-DT RF50 (not on air yet) ION Television in Detroit lost frequently because of WEAO-DT PBS RF50 Akron, OH.

WEAO, along with WVPX 23 (and now WDLI 49) do tend to come in often like stated in the second paragraph of this post.
Wish WPXD-DT had gotten RF 19 at 1 MW ERP like they wanted. That signal would make it through the wind farm turbine blades better than high UHF50.