dbarron wrote: "I hope they stay on channel 47 from Mt Seymour permanently, maybe at higher power. It's selfish but we're low down in False Creek and can't get channel 10 with our little 2-bay UHF antenna, but have LOS to the antennas on Mt. Seymour."

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From my perspective on the east coast of Galiano Island, I have LOS to Mt Seymour, but am blocked by a steep hillside towards Salt Spring Island, although it is much closer to my location. CBC, Global, CTV, and now Omni all come in perfectly here with a very small Sony parabolic antenna, mounted outdoors, but originally designed for indoor use.

Anything further regarding CKVU10 digital signal going live?

I should have mentioned in the previous post that I tried emailing them but the email never was delivered. Not sure why it didn't.

Also, any of you know which channel will be covering the Olympics? 2,8,32?

CTV is the Olympic host network, so in Vancouver the big show will be on CIVT-DT 33.1 (CIVT 32).

There has been some speculation that some of the overflow non-Olympic programming will be shifted over to the /A\ Channel, which is in analogue on CIVI 17 Vancouver and CIVI 53 Victoria.

Also there may be non-English Olympics coverage on OMNI BC (CHNM-DT 42.1 and CHNM 42).

Anything further regarding CKVU10 digital signal going live?The ball is still in the CRTC's court, and they don't release their decisions on weekends so if we haven't heard anything at their site by Friday afternoon then its best to wait for the end of Monday when they start churning out their decision notices again. ;)

http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/dno2.htm

Thus, no status change shown here:

http://www.user.dccnet.com/jonleblanc/Canada_TV_Stations/

The transitional station would be on Channel 47 from the same location as Global and would operate at 8.3kW ERP. Post-transitionally it would revert to Channel 10 on Saltspring Island.
In my last email from Rogers, I was told that they were hoping to remain on Mount Seymour. Did something change or did I miss something? Admittedly, I have not taken the time to read through anything on the CRTC site.

No, I'm just going by what's still shown in the IC database as CKVU's PT listing. Those listings never tell the CRTC back story. ;)

It sound like (from my admittedly shaky knowledge of the terminology) CITY-TV will be broadcasting from Mt. Seymour only for a short period of time. This is BAD news for many lower mainland viewers and, I suspect, bad news for the folks at CITY. Why would they be moving their transmitter back to Saltspring Island?

It sound like (from my admittedly shaky knowledge of the terminology) CITY-TV will be broadcasting from Mt. Seymour only for a short period of time. This is BAD news for many lower mainland viewers and, I suspect, bad news for the folks at CITY. Why would they be moving their transmitter back to Saltspring Island?

They (CITY-TV) would prefer to stay on Mount Seymour, but they may not be able to. It depends entirely on what the sniffy CRTC decides is in the best interest of Canadians. No, really! :)

For example, the CRTC *could* decide that Vancouver is served "well enough" with Canadian content, but Victoria is under-served, so any "new" broadcast license application must agree to serve Victoria. CITY-TV would then have to modify its application in order for it be approved. Hence, there remains the distinct possibility that they will have to return to Saltspring Island post transition.

Here is the last correspondence I received from Rogers, on Mon, Jan 4, 2010:

We have applied to broadcast in HD from Mount Seymour but have not yet received regulatory approval to do so. We expect approval later this month.

I plan to send a follow up this week to ask if they have heard back.

I think that once citytv goes on air, it will probably be the station with most HD content of all. Checking the schedule of CityTv Toronto, seems that the entire schedule is in HD, with the exception of the nightly infomercials.
When I spoke to them, they confirmed it will be in HD, but the upgrades of the local studio production/shows will take another year to get to be in HD.
So, once CKVU-DT is up, all but local stuff (Breakfast Television) will be in HD.

Also confirmed that out of the two Rogers channels, CityTv will not carry any olympic programming, while OMNI will.
CHNM-DT is running on a test signal now at about 50 Watts and plans to increase the power soon to just under 1 KW. No HD content planned for it.

As for the transmitter relocation, I think it only makes sense that it all gets moved to Seymour. Right now, used for tv broadcasting, on Seymour there are 'Rogers tower' and 'CBC tower'. Neither one of the Rogers stations are using Rogers' own tower, which is really waist of resources (CHNM is renting CBC tower space while CKVU requires maintaining a separate remote tower on an island, making it all not very cost effective for Rogers). It makes sense that for any new transmitters to be installed these 2 Rogers local tv stations promptly hop onto Rogers tower (while it is at the moment to expensive and complicated relocating existing analog transmitters onto it, and also bothering with modifying licenses for post-transitional approval/plans for same stations to remain on Rogers tower, which will get updated in due time).
So I think that the current CKVU's transmitter will get abandoned as soon as permitted to shut off analog.

As for CIVI, CTV did state to the CRTC that they intent to switch all its 'A' stations to digital by 2013.

I turned on my Tivo HD yesterday to find a message saying that there is a change to my lineup:

2-1 CBUT-DT moved to 58-1
8-1 CHAN-DT moved to 22-1
32-1 CIVT-DT moved to 33-1

Thanks...great except that each of those new channels are nothing but a black screen.

Can anyone think of a reason that Tivo would have done this? Is there a move in the works to put the stations on these new channels that Tivo is aware of but hasn't happened yet and they jumped the gun? Now, if I want to record on the 'real' OTA channels that I get (2-1 etc.) I have to do a manual recording and get no guide data. Meanwhile, it goes ahead and records all of my season passes on channels that have no content (but good guide data).

Interestingly, when I check Antenna signal strength these new channels do show strong signal but just black screen.

Actually from conversations with the CHNM engineers they each have told me they are using the BCTV Global tower and phacilities even had to have a mutiplexer?/combiner? upgraded / replaced after about two weeks of being online. The Sunday they did that work both BCTV and CHNM had gone to black a few times with BCTV coming back first then CHNM coming back after about two hours intermittant during the last two hours, then solid ever since.

I will give a call tomorrow to CHNM to get a clear understanding of this matter if they are in the mood to clairify which to this point they have been with out pause.

faston, for some reason your Tivo changed to just using their real RF channel numbers instead of remapping to their virtual channels (http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showpost.php?p=377665&postcount=15).

If it keeps doing that you should post about it in this thread: TiVos for HD OTA in Canada (http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=95819)

I am quite certain that CHNM transmits from CBC tower, while CIVT and CHAN do from Rogers tower. I remember when CHNM went on air in analog, reading that they decided to go with CBC transmitter.

I just checked and confirmed coordinates of towers, CBC and OMNI are on same global position (CBC tower), while CTV and Global are on the other common position (Rogers tower).

Everyone can confirm the tower locations in the Industry Canada database:

http://www.user.dccnet.com/jonleblanc/Canada_TV_Stations/

And CHNM-DT's location was discussed in this post:

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showpost.php?p=1031086&postcount=977

Ya there is a anolog on the cbc tower and dtv is on the rogers tower as confirmed by CHNM this morning.

Yes, it all makes sense.

I am still thinking and can't figure out some other things. Why did Rogers rush with all this now.
I won't be surprised if Rogers applies soon to be the first one to shut off analog transmitters for CHNM and CKVU before the switchover date, in order to cut on those expenses (depending on if that would alter any of the existing simsub rights).

No I don't think they are allowed to do an early shut off of anolog.

Says who?

I thought I read that the CRTC and IC acknolowledge that it's not very likely that there exist enough broadcast engineering consultants and tower technicians for all OTA stations to convert at the same time. I think the CRTC has been encouraging stations not to wait until the last minute.

Well it that were the case the stations here in the Vancouver area surely would have shut down the money hog anolog transmissions as soon as they had the DTV up and running?