Well I don't know what they did either because they are definitely on both 32.1 and 33.2 as of a few minutes ago.

Are they both being maped to 32?

No, they're showing up as 32.1 and 33.2 so the remapping is not working properly.

I just checked again and the only difference I can see in the streams is that 32.1 displays the call letters while 33.2 does not.

On an unrelated issue, if you are talking to them can you let them know that their audio levels are very low compared to all other OTA analogue and digital stations we get? I've noticed this often.

For me I am signal on 33.1 and 33.2
Dan

Well after a short but helpfull talk again to the tech at ctv I am told they are seriously working on the issue of which they have no idea what is going on and as a side note they are working on a power increase as for the audio there was not good time to ask that this time next time I will ask.
Dan

Any guidelines on what level of power increase we'll be seeing and when? I haven't been able to receive CIVT-DT yet other than a few frames and its audio was comparable in volume to CBUT-DT on my system. Is DT usually quieter or is something wrong?

Nothing stations can do about the power level they've been assigned by Industry Canada without IC's permission first and then a change to their operating license by the CRTC. Its not up to the stations, so what the CTV guy meant was that they are in the process of getting such permission.

Any changes in the mixed reception of the two channels?

Stampeder

Thanks for that info, good to know about the procedure as CIVT's engineer hasn't replied with any meaningful data.

Has anyone heard when CHAN goes live with their digital signal, and with how much power?

Cheers,
LH

I'm gonna guess it'll happen Aug 31st, 2011 ;)

Prove me wrong Global!

Hi

Does anyone know when Global TV Vancouver is going be available in HD OTA?

Thanks

The last we've heard about Global's DTV plans in Vancouver was in Post #348 (July) so I assume things are the same as they said back then. Their assigned power levels and other info are discussed in other posts in this thread.

but if they still matter up there, chalk me up for 1 in favor of a power increase for CIVT :)

The last we've heard about Global's DTV plans in Vancouver was in Post #348 (July) so I assume things are the same as they said back then. Their assigned power levels and other info are discussed in other posts in this thread.

This site says they have an April 2008 deadline.

http://members.shaw.ca/nwbroadcasters/digitaltv.htm

Does anyone have any thoughts on petitioning the CRTC to require CIVT to raise its power output on or before its next license renewal, perhaps as a condition of its next renewal? Ideally, the messages would contain 3 elements: living within the OTA coverage area for CIVT, and formerly being able to receive the analogue signal reliably
inability to reliably receive the digital OTA signal with the same antenna setup
a request for CIVT to conform with the power levels of its local peers to provide more reliable coverage (does anyone technical have a recommended power output? Perhaps CBUT's 15.8kW is overkill, maybe CHAN's planned 4.3kW is better?)CIVT's license expires 31 August 2008, and my contact with the CRTC said we are welcome to address the station directly and apply greater leverage through the CRTC, so why not do both? Especially considering as they'll be broadcasting the 2010 Olympics...

(For what it's worth both the CRTC and Industry Canada have confirmed there are no restrictions from their end preventing CIVT from raising its output level.)

Cheers,
LH

(For what it's worth both the CRTC and Industry Canada have confirmed there are no restrictions from their end preventing CIVT from raising its output level.)Hang on there... who did you hear that from, and can you please copy-and-paste it into this thread? Given that CIVT is in a Border Area, the U.S. FCC also has a say on their power level.

CIVT engineering didn't email me much data, so I called the CRTC, and was told stations pretty much get to pick and choose their power levels, that the CRTC places no restrictions on them. Industry Canada's website is rather labyrinthine so I phoned around until I got a guy who told me he wasn't aware of any limitations on CIVT. I looked at the Border Zone station treaty but didn't see anything explicitly limiting, and the Industry Canada guy sent me the link below. If you can make anything more substantial out of it, I look forward to the information, but from what I hear CIVT's free to raise their power level once the transition period's over, if not sooner.
http://www.ic.gc.ca/epic/site/smt-gst.nsf/en/sf02126e.html

LH

I think you've been talking with people who just don't know enough about how these things work. Industry Canada definitely, certifiably, uncontrovertably sets the maximum ERP (Effective Radiated Power) of all TV stations in Canada, whether analogue or digital.

CIVT-DT cannot boost their power level on their own.

Last time I spoke to CIVT, I had some signal-problems questions, so I ended up talking to someone from station management, I think, who sounded like knowing everything about CIVT. When I asked if there were any plans to increase the OTA DT signal strength, he said that they are not concerned about it, as "very few people relies on OTA signal here, and when it comes to digital OTA signal, it's even less people".
I still think this is a question of simple economics and pure business, rather than anything else.
I too think that stations must apply to CRTC for change in ERP, and when it comes to power strength in border-zone, as far as I remember, it is said that digital signal must not go over 1 MW (1000 KW) in border zones, which is far above what Canadian DT stations are assigned to output.
My personal opinion is that in order to force our tv stations to have stronger DT signals, we need to appeal to CRTC quoting the power levels of tv stations below the border (are also in border zone but running typically between 500-800 KW in full-power regime). When I recently spoke to a tech from CBC, he told me that the power levels of current canadian DT transmitters (running now in low-power level) is only suppose to double once the transition is over (when the analogue signals get shut down), which would put CTV to not even 2 KW of ERP, while KIRO-DT broadcast at 1000 KW right now (and we still can't typically receive its signal in Vancouver).
Since this is only a businesses issue for CTV, we should appeal to CRTC to restrict CTV's cable simsubing benefits based on the reach of its DT signal - this would hurt CTV more than anything else. Quoting CTV's 2010 olympic carriage can also be another strong issue to refer to as even discriminatory towards OTA population.