I hope we don't find that MS lawyer-types come calling here
Since I believe they are up to their necks in alligators, and theres no money at all involved here, I think the chances of that are very slim, heh.

mlord,

I don't know what end users means in the context of the license until I have read the license in its entirety. The other quotes in post #4 make it clear that the license is for developing software, in which case the end user of development software would be a developer. Unless the term end user is defined elsewhere in the license to mean the end user of the software developed with the development software. It can all get very confusing, legaleze and all.

I've been looking around on the Microsoft download site and read the terms of use, but haven't found the particular license you quoted from. Could you provide a link to the location of that license?

Thanks

M$ certainly don't seem to make such things easy to find and understand. I suppose if they did so, the result might be fewer people willing to take their bait.

When I originally went to the VB runtime download link (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/290887), it did take some time clicking about to locate a License Agreement for the downloads.

According to Firefox's history, it might have been from here (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-ca/cc300389.aspx#MLPL).

It is the responsibility of the person acquiring the software to determine the terms of use.

I'm done with this thread now. If microsofties need more legal advice, they can pay for a real lawyer. :)

Cheers

Hi. hi, nice discussion you have overhere.
Thanks for the hint about running 4nec2 on the Ubuntu Linux.

Greetings,
Arie

Welcome to our forum, Arie, it is a great pleasure to have you here. :)

So far so good with wine and ubuntu 9.04. :)

Like Stampeder said, Arie, it is a great pleasure to have you here sir !

As you can see, many decent antennas have been built on this site using your great program.

From the OK1RR DX & Contesting Page:If run under Linux, the 4NEC2 makes wonders. Very fast (compared to Windows) and retains all its properties and options. How to run it under Linux?http://www.ok1rr.com/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.105

From the linux.debian.devel.ham Usenet group:I'm using nec2 with Linux and Windows. I'm very sorry for telling that there is just one reason to use windows (for mine) because there is a wounderful antenna-modeling software called "4nec2". 4nec2 is free software and i'm very interested in a Linux-Version - maybe if more requests appear, Arie Voers (the author) may do it...http://osdir.com/ml/linux.debian.devel.ham/2005-03/msg00012.html

Arie, have you ever considered porting 4nec2 to Linux using development tools like GTK or KDE, or even a Java port? I'm just curious and making a nice request, not making a demand. :)

I know some people have had issues with the running of 4nec2 under WINE (WINE is not an emulator), but there is another option, especially if your linux box came with a Windows license. Sun's VirtualBox (http://www.virtualbox.org/) virtualization software allows you to run Windows as a VM, and 4nec2 within that. I'm currently using it on my new x86 Mac Mini to run optimization strategies while I do real work on the Macintosh side of things.

It's free, and there's even an open-source version if you like your software free as in freedom instead of free as in beer.

Looks like interesting software.

Can I donate some CPU cycles for optimizing the Non-modular UHF/VHF-hi GH4n3? I am a software engineer, and have 4nec2X running within WINE on my Ubuntu box.

I am a software engineer, and have 4nec2X running within WINE on my Ubuntu box.

Hey Mike,
Whenever u have a minute, can you check out this thread/link, and provide any comments how setting up 4nec2x on ur end compares to that? Reason I ask is I briefly tried doing the same thing a couple weeks ago, and didn't get very far (could be cause I wasn't using WIN 98 DLLs as directed?). I have 4nec2x running no problem on Win XP, etc. But been trying to avoid Windows altogether lately. Been using Ubuntu at home, and Slackware at work. I'm not a S/W guy, but like to think I can follow instructions pretty well.

4nec2x under Wine (http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showpost.php?p=1205173&postcount=240)

Whenever u have a minute, can you check out this thread/link, and provide any comments how setting up 4nec2x on ur end compares to that?

That link has a post by 300ohm, which contains this link:
http://home.ict.nl/~arivoors/faq.htm#_Linux

I will list the differences from what I did (from memory) to the instructions in the link above.

1. Install Wine.

I used the Synaptic Package manager to install the packages "wine" and "wine-gecko" though I doubt the second one (web browser) is needed.

2. Edit the Wine configuration file ".wine/config" as follows:

This file does not exist on my system, so I did not do this step.

3. Copy the following DLLs to the the Wine "windows/system" directory (I use DLLs copy from a legal copy of Windows 98):

I copied the DLLS (but not msflxgrd.ocx) to .wine/drive_c/windows/system32/ (emphasis on windows/system32, not windows/system) from a legal copy of Windows XP.

I think I did the rest of the steps as described in the link above. I think the biggest difference is in step 3. Move those DLLs from windows/system to windows/system32 and see if that solves your problem.

Thanks Mike,

Here's the error message I get with 4nec2 under wine.
BTW, take a look at /usr/bin/winecfg
I guess running that is the equivalent of that config file in that FAQ.
Must be a little bit old. Any ideas?

ls /usr/bin/wine*
/usr/bin/wine /usr/bin/wineboot /usr/bin/winecfg /usr/bin/winecpp /usr/bin/winedump /usr/bin/wineg++ /usr/bin/winemaker /usr/bin/winepath /usr/bin/wineserver
/usr/bin/wine-auto /usr/bin/winebuild /usr/bin/wineconsole /usr/bin/winedbg /usr/bin/winefile /usr/bin/winegcc /usr/bin/winemine /usr/bin/wine-preloader

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/picture.php?albumid=452&pictureid=3519

Here's the error message I get with 4nec2 under wine.
So you cant even get into 4nec2 under wine ? 2GB is certainly more than enough memory, as I was running 4nec2 in Ubuntu under Wine with only 512 MB (or 256MB, I cant exactly recall). Of course it was back then an older version of Ubuntu and 4nec2 than what you have.

Unfortunately, I do not know enough about wine, nor 4nec2 to help you with the error message you are seeing.

Yeah, I would post that question on Arie Voors 4nec2 forum.
http://home.ict.nl/~arivoors/