: Which BEV pvr receiver
2009-05-07, 11:01 PM
I'm new here and I'm interrested in Bell PVR receivers. No HD for the moment.
I want dual tuner and I'm a little bit confused with all models available used or brand new.
Can you help me and let me know which ones are the best to get and which ones to avoid?
Thank you all.
2009-05-07, 11:17 PM
The 9241 is what Bell currently sells and buying from them is often the best deal, especially for new subscribers. I wouldn't purchase a Bell receiver on eBay. Most are Ok but I've heard of problems. If you can get a good used receiver from someone you trust, that could be another way to go. Even as an existing customer, Bell sometimes gives up to $300 in credits on the purchase of a 9241. You just need to haggle a bit.
2009-05-07, 11:31 PM
if your set on a SD PVR though you will have to go to ebay or somthing similar. i think the last dual-tuner PVR in SD was the 5200 and bell does not sell that anymore along with any other SD PVR's. you may be better off just renting a HD PVR like the 9241 like the last poster just said
2009-05-07, 11:54 PM
The 5200 is difficult to find and very buggy with little or no ongoing support. The 9241 is the only dual tuner PVR currently available. The 9200/9242/9241 are much better in quality than any SD PVR and hold more recorded programming. The 9242/9241 also support SDTVs easily so there is no need to buy an HDTV right away, nor is it necessary to subscribe to HD channels. There are a few benefits to an HD PVR, such as not needing to upgrade later and getting some HD channels for free. You can watch HD channels with an SDTV and picture quality is noticeably better, though not as good as on an HDTV.
2009-05-08, 12:21 AM
Thank you for your answers.
Is it true that the 9241 does not support Picture in Picture? And by the way, is it a "must have" feature?
So I should look at the 9242 and 9241 models and forget the others?
2009-05-08, 12:51 AM
The 9242 is no longer sold by Bell. Like a previous poster suggested, you could purchase one from someone you trust. They are still supported by Bell. No satellite provider in Canada currently sells a dual tuner PVR with picture in a picture feature. Some cable providers do have those PVRs.
2009-05-08, 01:07 AM
Ok thanks, I will try to find a 9242. I saw some on internet.
ScaryBob: What kind of problems have you heard about concerning ebay purchases?
2009-05-08, 01:38 AM
one problem with ebay is if you get a reciever there may be an unpaid balance on it from the previous owner
2009-05-08, 07:23 AM
Go for a 9200 on ebay. They are rock solid and cost 1/2 as much as a 9242. Just find a seller that has 100% feedback.
Avoid the buggy 9241.
2009-05-08, 08:49 AM
peano: What is the difference between the 9242 and the 9200?
Does it have dual tuner and PIP ?
2009-05-08, 09:08 AM
Both receivers have dual tuners, PIP, support two TV's (while in dual mode), come with both IR and UHF remote controls and you can swap between the two tuners while using single mode.
The 9242 also supports an external hard drive, has a 320gb hard drive (30 hours HD recording) and is MPEG-4 compatible whereas the 9200 has a 250gb hard drive (25 HD recording hours) and is only MPEG-2 compatible.
While both of these machines are still supported by Bell-TV, they are nothing short of excellent and can be described as the best PVR's currently in Canada, (unfortunately, neither is sold anymore).
2009-05-08, 02:26 PM
i thought they wee still selling the 9242 at least. if not what is the latest HD PVR they are selling?
2009-05-08, 02:42 PM
The PVR you are thinking about...is the 9241, which has dual tuners, the 320gb hard drive and is MPEG-4 compatible...but that's where the similarity ends.
The 9241 only comes with one remote, does not have PIP, you cannot swap between tuners and it can only be used on one tv.
2009-05-08, 11:52 PM
According to the Bell website they now only have 2 models of receiver, the 6131 & the 9241, they appear to have dropped everything else.
I run a 5200, Dual Tuner SD PVR, it has been rock solid for years.
I also have a 9200 Dual Tuner HD PVR, connected to an OTA antenna to give me a Triple Tuner HD PVR, works just great, feeds 1 x HDTV and then throughout the house to the other SD TV's.
If I were looking right now, I would go for the 9200 or the 9242.
2009-05-09, 01:27 PM
The main issue with the 9200 and SD is that the TV1 out is HD only. That can be an issue for the initial setup if the receiver is not in single mode and TV2 is not enabled. The other issue is that the 9200 does not support MPEG4. That is not currently a problem but when Bell switches to MPEG4, they will likely swap it for a 9241. Other than that, the 9200 is a very good PVR.
Given the requirements, a 9242 is the best choice.
As far as purchasing used receivers from eBay... I've heard of receivers that did not work, were missing smart cards and receivers with outstanding account balances and/or PPV purchases. These can cost the buyer extra money to resolve. Missing cards are less common than they were once because eBay no longer allows their sale without a receiver. Buying from a reputable seller can help reduce the risk. Make sure you ask about these issues before buying and keep a record of the correspondence so that a claim can be made if the receiver is misrepresented.
2009-05-09, 05:57 PM
The main issue with the 9200 and SD is that the TV1 out is HD only.
Not true. You can set TV1 to output at 480i, which is SD.
if the receiver is not in single mode and TV2 is not enabled.
Surely, if the 9200 is NOT in Single Mode, it MUST be in Dual Mode.......
2009-05-09, 11:35 PM
You can set TV1 to output at 480i, which is SD.
But it is component, which most SDTVs do not support. Also, the default as provided is 480p which prevents using an SDTV for setup, even if it has component inputs. I should have said, the 9200 has no composite or S-video outputs on TV1.
Surely, if the 9200 is NOT in Single Mode, it MUST be in Dual Mode.......
Not sure what your point is. My point is that TV2 is not always enabled in single mode and I don't think receiver setup is possible on TV2 in dual mode. I forget what the option is called to enable/disable TV2 output in single mode but it would be an issue if it is disabled.
2009-05-10, 12:45 PM
Just a side note, but I think most SD televisions with component input support 480p as well as 480i (that was the only way to take advantage of the old progressive scan DVD players - back when they were the best available).
2009-05-15, 03:24 PM
I saw a 9242 receiver on EBay (ridiculously expensive price but...) the other day where the seller warned that the buyer would have to obtain a new Nagra 3 card from Bell. I don't understand as the 'card' is built into the unit, unlike the older units which have an external plastic card.
I understand that getting it activated should not be a problem if the receiver has no outstanding debts etc (having gone thru that once before a few years ago!!) but does this 'new card" simply mean that an additional download from the satellite is all that will be required in this case??..
2009-05-15, 03:30 PM
I saw a 9242 receiver on sale on EBay the other day where the seller warned that the buyer would have to obtain a new Nagra 3 card from Bell. I don't understand as the 'card' is built into the unit, unlike the older units which have an external plastic card.
I understand that getting it activated should not be a problem if the receiver has no outstanding debts etc (having gone thru that once before!!) but does this 'new card" simply mean that an additional download from the satellite is all that will be required in this case??..
I find this confusing a little too that they just cannot reprogram the chip. maybe they can't due to a security feature on the chip to combat piracy but these receivers still have card slots that were disabled before the cardswamp. you would not need to have an acual card but if you needed to give info to get a new card all the right info would be in the system information when you power up the IRD