The 9242 still uses the internal card chip, it does NOT require a physical Card at all, yet....

The 9242 still uses the internal card chip, it does NOT require a physical Card at all, yet....

So, the answer to the original question is...? Is the 'new card' simply a download???

I guess the question boils down to this: When the most recent card swap took place, what method was used with the kind of receivers where the built-in cards are used???


I am still confused!!

Sorry


Simon

In simple terms the chip that is in the 9242 acts the same way as the chip that is on the cards that have been sent out, because of this there is no reason to send out cards for the 9242.

The older receivers with the Internal Smart Chip, the 4100, 6100 & 9200, were required to then use a physical Smart Card that had to be sent out by Bell, in order for the receivers to continue to function correctly. There were a few 4100's & 9200's out there that had a Smart Chip that would handle Nagra 3 but not many, these did not require and still do not require a Smart Card, the Smart Chip # began with S0459.

The newest models, the 9241, 9242, 6141 & 6131, do not require a Smart Card.

Is the 'new card' simply a download???

A new Card cannot be downloaded. If the Internal Chip can no longer be used to decrypt the Nagra 3 signals, then a Smart Card will have to be inserted in the available slot.

The older receivers with the Internal Smart Chip, the 4100, 6100 & 9200, were required to then use a physical Smart Card that had to be sent out by Bell, in order for the receivers to continue to function correctly. There were a few 4100's & 9200's out there that had a Smart Chip that would handle Nagra 3 but not many, these did not require and still do not require a Smart Card, the Smart Chip # began with S0459.

The newest models, the 9241, 9242, 6141 & 6131, do not require a Smart Card.



A new Card cannot be downloaded. If the Internal Chip can no longer be used to decrypt the Nagra 3 signals, then a Smart Card will have to be inserted in the available slot.

Ah!! Then as I understand it now, in the case I described above in my initial post, upon my request, Bell would furnish a new smart card which would be inserted into the existing (but 'til now unused) card slot in the 9242 and thus override the Nagra 2 software residing in the internal chip.

I believe my son's 9200 is that way as I saw a card in the slot when I checked yesterday.

Oh well! if this is necessary, I would pass on this or a similar 9242 and try to obtain a more recent one if they exist. Although my old receivers have the cards, they have never been a problem even after going through at least 2 card updates so far.

Anyone know what HARDWARE versions of the 9242 incorporate the Nagra 3 software in the internal chip???

Thanks Pinza

Simon

No.

The 9242 does NOT need a Card.

The chip can handle the newest Nagra 3 encryption.

Anyone know what HARDWARE versions of the 9242 incorporate the Nagra 3 software in the internal chip???


All of the 9242 receivers that are out on the market can handle Nagra3 with it's internal chip.

Hi All,

Then I am back to not understanding (AGAIN!!!!) Why would the seller state that the buyer would require a Nagra 3 card from Bell.

I understand that the receiver can handle Nagra 3 firmware ok, that is obvious. But if the internal card does not seem to be able to be re-loaded via a satellite download (see Pinza above), to update any firmware on the built-in card it could only be done by substitution by using an updated plastic card in the card slot???

(The signal decryption IS handled by the card firmware on all the older receivers and is one of the reasons that piracy was so prevalent on Bell/Dish, but non-existent on Star Choice. They have always used a built-in card.)

Or are you (QCK & Pinza above) suggesting that the 9242 came out with Nagra 3 loaded into the internal card from the beginning and there is no need to update anything by requesting a card from Bell i.e....the seller is mistaken???

(The EBay seller did say exactly the same thing for a 9200 that he also had for sale, so perhaps he may have been wrong in his description regarding the 9242 even though he confirmed it to me in a private message...)

Oh well, since I am not buying either of these particular receivers, the point is moot!, I just want to understand correctly!!!!

Thanks everyone for the input

Simon

Hi All,

Then I am back to not understanding (AGAIN!!!!) Why would the seller state that the buyer would require a Nagra 3 card from Bell.


My oh my, I thought that would be the end of this lol. The seller was wrong in stating this, it is as simple as that.

The seller was correct about the 9200 but wrong about the 9242.

The paranoia over this is just beyond belief.

Just to clarify,

The 6131, 6141, 9241 & 9242 do NOT require a Smart Card.

ALL other models do, unless they are fitted with an internal Chip who's # starts with S0459.

But if the internal card does not seem to be able to be re-loaded via a satellite download (see Pinza above), to update any firmware on the built-in card

I never said the internal Chip could not be updated, I just said that if the Chip could not handle the newer encryption (ie; the Chip does not start with S0459) then a Smart Card is required.

Hi, all. I am currently a Bell subscriber for the last 3 years. I am currently using the 9200 PVR (renting). I don’t want to rent anymore and looking to purchase a new receiver. 9200 and 9242 is the only 2 newer models that can still do dual TV programming. I been doing some research in the forum that 9200 or 9242 is no longer available to purchase. Now I don’t know what kind of PVR is out there that still can provide dual TV programming like the 9200 or 9242 PVR.
My current setting is a TV in my bonus room (using HDMI with the 9200 PVR), and the TV downstairs (using the coaxial cable + some kind of switch that the Bell technician that set it up for me for dual TV during the initial installation). So if I switch company like to Rogers or Shaw, do they have similar receiver that can do dual TV programming like the 9200 or 9242 function. How different setup is with the cable and the dish? I am new like this stuff… please help. Thanks in advance.

Shaw has HD PVR's that have dual tuners that work with one TV only. You would have to get a second PVR for the TV downstairs. You may be able to get Shaw to give you discounted prices on 2 PVR's if you switch over to them. Just be advised that the Shaw PVR's are not as easy to use as the Bell PVR's. Shaw PVR's remind of the old DOS computer system, while Bell's PVR's remind me of a more advanced OS like Windows XP--more modern.

Unfortunately no other provider has receivers capable of what you want to do...
Your best bet, is to search online (ebay, craigslist, kijiji, etc... for a used 9242 or 9200) get 2 new pvr receivers, or keep your current setup...

Bell is currently offering the 9241, its a dual tuner HD PVR, but only single TV. I'm not sure if anyone else is offering the 2 TV PVR. I just had a 9241 installed and I love it. The only difference between the 9242 and 9241 is the 2 TV, and no PIP on the 9241. Besides that they are identical I believe. You could always look on ebay or local classified ads for a 9242, maybe you'll get lucky. If your going to buy I would sugest the 9242 not the 9200, at some point Bell will switch to MPEG-4 and the 9200 will be useless.

Thanks for all the quick reply, so if I do buy an 9242 online from ebay or etc..will Bell set that up for me because I didn’t purchase from the official store?

Also, just wondering how would you set up if you have 2 TV, did u all use 2 PVRs??

I went out and bought a few 9242's when I saw they were being discontinued....
The problem with getting multiple PVRs is....
Price of a 9241 = $499 (I think)
Price of a 5900 = $299 (I think, and it is a 5+year old model...)
I would setup the 5900 in the same room as your 9241, as you could then use PIP on your big tv, and use your existing cable run from your backfed 9200 to your spare tv...
Idealy, you would get a 9242

The big advantage to a 9242 or 9200 is being able to watch and manage the same programming in two different places and watch two different programs simultaneously. One 9241 will accomplish the first, but not the second. Two 9241s (or other PVRs) will accomplish the second but not the first. Two TVs can be hooked up to a 9241, as long as you don't need to watch 2 separate programs at the same time.

I have a 9200 and two 9242's, one on each TV. I never wanted SD and i couldn't/wouldn't lose the functionality of using only one tuner.
Also couldn't live without 2 remotes for each, my wife and I each have a remote on our side of the bed or beside our recliners.

my wife and I each have a remote on our side of the bed or beside our recliners. You let your wife have a remote control??? I believe that is a violation of the guy code ;)