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post #841 of 848 (permalink) Old 2017-12-26, 07:14 PM
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transition from SD to HD from 15 years ago.
HD transmission started in the US about 16 years ago but the transition was 8 years ago for the US and 6 years ago in Canada. As already mentioned. the CBC shut down most of their transmitters rather than convert then to ATSC. I don't see much in the way of transition to ATSC3.0 in Canada. It's not like the US where stations need it to keep operating in crowded markets and carry extra services. The only city where ATSC 3.0 might be needed is Toronto. Most other Canadian cities have unused ATSC channels that broadcasters aren't presently using. There is also very little in the way of multiplexing multiple service on one channel in Canada. Outside of Toronto or maybe Vancouver and Montreal, OTA is dead in Canada. Those cities only have good Canadian OTA because they are home to flagship stations and production facilities for Canadian networks.
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I disagree with the reason why those cities have Local OTA stations.The real reasons are simsub rights and US OTA competition

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That's not the only reason. Another is that stations in large urban areas, such as the GTA make money while stations in smaller cities with less regional population don't. Broadcasters ignore the loss of viewers and advertisers smaller markets due to the lack of local content and poor quality of news broadcasts. Larger markets such as the GTA still have good quality local programming and news that draw national advertising due to carriage in other markets. That imbalance results in flagship stations looking profitable due to internal bookkeeping while other stations look like they are losing money. US OTA competition is not a big deal. It's there with or without Canadian OTA stations. It's well known that Bell regards their OTA stations as unwanted overhead but the CRTC has already ruled that shutting down OTA would also take away simsub rights. It's likely that Bell would still simsub on their own services but they would lose them on other BDUs.
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It's well known that Bell regards their OTA stations as unwanted overhead.
Then why did Bell turn on CKVP-DT when CHCJ-DT is in the same area?

Do they want to sell CKVP's RF 42?
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Bell didn't want those stations. They wanted the CITY-TV network. They purchased CHUM which included the CITY-TV network and the A-network. Rogers was then going to buy the A-network which included CKVP-DT. The CRTC said that Bell could not own both CTV and CITY-TV due to rules against ownership of two stations in the same market. As a result, Rogers got CITY-TV network and Bell got the A-Network. Bell has been whining and pouting about it ever since. Bell's idea was probably to own two stations in every major city so it could dominate OTA and the broadcasting of US TV shows in Canada. When they couldn't do that, they started threatening to shut down all the A-network stations in order to get concessions from the CRTC. CHCJ-DT was later launched in order to provide better coverage of the GTA, by CTV2 (formerly the A-Network) since that is a critical market.

Then Bell got the idea that they were going to shut down all their OTA stations and apply to the CRTC to keep simsubs for the two OTA networks they own. The CRTC killed that idea as well. Bell has embarked on a campaign of acquiring as many broadcasting interests as the CRTC will allow. That includes launching CraveTV and using it in an attempt to expand their BDU market share. The CRTC put a stop to that as well. Don't know what Bell is planning next but, if past actions are any indication, it's not likely to be in the best interests of Canadian consumers or well liked by the CRTC.
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Bell applied and got CHCJ and CKVP OTA license to obtain Simsub rights in Hamilton/ Niagara areas.This was stated in their applications.They stated this was needed to allow CKVR to be viable.CRTC technical rules about not having 2 English OTA in a market are meet.This rule pointless in a BDU dominated market.

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Right. CKVR was the channel acquired by the Chum purchase and CKVP was added later to extend CKVR coverage. At any rate, it just points out how Toronto centric Bell has become because they had just shut down A-Channel stations in other markets and were threatening to shut down more in an effort to blackmail the CRTC to obtain local news programming grants. It seems like every time the CRTC makes a ruling then Bell devices some scheme to subvert it. This was their way of getting full GTA coverage for CKVR after being denied a second station on the CN tower.
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