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post #1 of 48 (permalink) Old 2011-08-19, 11:47 PM Thread Starter
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Thumbs up OTA vs Cable - split from Globe thread.

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That article is one of the only ones I have read that does not contain any errors.
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Enthusiasts point out that, because they are not compressed to be carried by cable or satellite, the over-the-air digital signals offer the highest definition images.
I do wish OTA'ers would stop making this statement since it's false. The OTA signals are compressed, from over 1 Gbps to a maximum of 19.4 Mbps. Rogers, as well as some other cable service providers, do not further compress these OTA signals. (Sat does). In addition, OTA is not the highest definition available, that belongs to the direct satellite signals brought in by FTA and BUDs, which can have 2-3 times the bitrate, depending.

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"The OTA signals are compressed, from over 1 Gbps to a maximum of 19.4 Mbps. Rogers, as well as some other cable service providers, do not further compress these OTA signals. (Sat does)."

heh, funny. People can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080i either. I haven't watched HD cable in years, it might be better nowadays. I can tell the difference between $0/month and $100/month I was paying though. :P

I bought my HD tv with a Rogers HD tv box. BluRay looked great in the TV shop and when I got home it wasn't that great looking at HD on cable. It wasn't until I got HD via OTA that I really got excited about the HD tv I purchased.

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I can tell the difference between $0/month and $100/month I was paying though
Another misleading comment since the $100/month covered a bunch of channels and services that are not available OTA. The real comparison is perhaps the difference between the capital and maintenance cost of an OTA installation (varies depending on application and location) vs roughly $30/mo for basic cable.

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You can get HD for $30 a month? Dream On. I'll scan my cable bills and post them. I've been getting love letters from Rogers every 6 months telling me how little I could pay for cable but there's no mention of getting HD with a basic cable package.

You can get HD OTA for a $30 investment in an antenna. $5 if you can bend a wire yourself. :P

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Here's the list of HD channels offered by Rogers available with a basic digital subscription ($36 at Rogers if you don't have any other Rogers stuff, less if you do). Look at the list in Green - 30-40 HD channels. Of course you need to purchase or rent a STB or PVR, but if you want a PVR for OTA, you'd have to purchase one of those too (or build an HTPC).

FAQ - Rogers HD Offering

Rogers currently has a "digital transition offer" of $10/mo for new customers (for a year).

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/show...59#post1288159

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And 50 bucks for Bell basic with the tax lpif, dtv fee with some HD if you had the right STB/Dish. Oh yes and it goes up $3 every year.

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In my area, you can't get a $30/mo for basic cable package unless you bundle their other services. NO THANKS!

If I wanted just cable only, it's $40 plus some extra fees plus HST to get about 30 channels that include 6 useless info channels, 2 US news broadcasts, 3 or more religion channels and the basic major network channels such as ABC,NBC,CBS,MyTV,CW,CBC,CTV,CHCH,Global,etc. Out of the mixed cable channels that cable offers, there are really only about a dozen channels that are worth having.

Whereas with OTA, it's free and I can get all of the major networks such as ABC,NBC,CBS,MyTV,CW,CBC,CTV,CHCH,Global, plus many sub-channels etc, without the need to buy or rent a cable or satelite box. Best of all,.. there are never any unexplainable monthly increases on my OTA bill. And despite the compression arguements or calculated bit rates, OTA is definately the King to the human eye for quality HD.

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Just show me the link where I can order HD for $30 a month from Rogers. I have the TV, I have the cable connection beside it. It's a dream. I've never seen any of my cable bills for $30/month even before HD was invented.

What Rogers is good at inventing, is a method that makes my introductory offer increase on a regular basis until I cancel or threaten to cancel then I see some savings. When I canceled my cable they offered me 20% savings if I stayed for another year. I know people that switch between cable and sat just to save money with introductory offers.

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Just to add to this. I have Internet and an iPhone with Rogers, so I'll bundle

Please have Rogers call me at 519-342-6609 and give me a guarantee that I can get all of this wonderful stuff we dream about in HD for $30 a month without strings attached. It won't happen cause it's plain BS and that's that.

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Rogers if you're listening, I'll sign up for your HDTV if you can guarantee me it's $30/month without it going up because of a introductory offer.

ps. 57 I'll give you $100 in cash if you do this for me.

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Go to Rogers website, click on packages and pricing. Digital Basic (all you need to get the 30-40 HD channels outlined in green in my FAQ) Buy your HDSTB and you're set to go. It's not introductory, and you can often reduce the monthly price if you commit to a time frame or have additional services, just as you state. It's not a dream, it's a reality.

Since someone brought up additional channels, there are some channels in the basic package that are not available OTA (Weather, CP24, YTV, Treehouse, many commercial free music, etc) - click on Digital Basic, then the link to "see more channels" to see them all.

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What cable companies do best is marketing such fake pricing schemes of $10 per month to generate new subscriptions, without publishing the other real monthly costs involved such as fees, box rentals etc. and if you want digital basic you need to buy or rent a digital box to actually receive the TV service in HD. Above all, the real post promotional price is never included or is well hidden in those ads. Cable promotion advertising is the most deceptive advertising in the entire industry.

Another misleading ad scheme is to claim that their digital cable service upgrade is HD. Cable companies do not generate the programs nor do they transmit the original broadcasts, so it could be SD or HD.

Over and above any final bottom line price for a BDU service is the added HST.
OTA is free, the HST on free is $0.00 and there's no contract to sign!

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All I'm asking is that the OTA people stop with the hyperbole. There are serious offers out there by the service providers to get your business. The numbers are published and can be checked either online or by phone.

The $100/mo for cable is simple hyperbole and I have shown several published options that are $60, $70, $80, $90/mo less depending on your situation and provider offer.

hkaye talks about $30 antennas or $5 wires, I doubt many people in Kitchener (where he lives) can get very many channels with that sort of setup. I would bet that a pretty large tower, antenna, amp, etc is required to get more than a couple of channels with any reliability. That's not including installation of same, which is not free, if you're not that handy, or willing to risk injury on a roof or tower...

And yes, taxes are extra.

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What cable companies do best is marketing such fake pricing schemes of $10 per month to generate new subscriptions, without publishing the other real monthly costs involved such as fees, box rentals etc. and if you want digital basic you need to buy or rent a digital box
If you actually bothered to click on the digital transitions ($10) link and read it, you'd see that there are no hidden fees and an SD STB is included. As I have mentioned (and not tried to hide) you would need to purchase or rent an HD STB if you wanted HD.

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The real comparison is perhaps the difference between the capital and maintenance cost of an OTA installation (varies depending on application and location)
That's an inaccurate statement since, in my case, there as been $0 maintenance costs and as mentioned earlier the capital costs can be as little as $5.

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vs roughly $30/mo for basic cable.
Inaccurate again. That $30 doesn't include the cost of fees like the local television surcharge, HST and the yearly increase fee in addition to having to worry about billing "mistakes" and contracts.

Plus there's the cost of the HD terminal they make you buy/rent for EVERY TV since, of course, unlike the US clear QAM isn't the standard.

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Since someone brought up additional channels, there are some channels in the basic package that are not available OTA (Weather, CP24, YTV, Treehouse, many commercial free music, etc) - click on Digital Basic, then the link to "see more channels" to see them all.
Another inaccurate statement. Although there are channels on basic that can't be received OTA there are also OTA stations not on basic cable (or any package). WNLO CW-23 is one example and PBS Think Bright and Well (denied approval by the CRTC).

My point is although a statement may not being entirely accurate it doesn't mean it's misleading.

If you don't think OTA is for you that's fine but there's an entire industry who doesn't like DTV OTA because they know for a, I'd contend, large part of the population either by itself or in combination with online/TV on DVD who sees this as a viable option to the anti-competitive duopoly that has existed in this country for decades.

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If I could actually get these channels with Rogers

CBC 5.1
CFTO 9.1
PBS 17.1
TVO 19.1
WNLO 23.1
Global 41.1
Omni 2 44.1
City 57.1
Omni 64-1
Sun TV 66-1
I believe every one of those is available in HD on Digital Basic except WNLO-HD, but the SD version is. ($36 plus tax, assuming no bundle, contract, less if negotiated with bundle/contract)

Try clicking on the Rogers links for pricing and channels, you may be surprised, no BS.

https://www.rogers.com/web/link/ptvB...wardTo=landing Click on Digital Basic, then "see more channels". I've already provided you with the "green" channels in the Rogers HD FAQ.

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