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post #31 of 46 (permalink) Old 2014-06-18, 10:53 AM
 
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I can say the blades turning cause the problem for a a fact ..We had a local installer have the same issue with Detroit content for a windmill in the line of sight to the towers.As he explained when the turbines were stopped the problems with reception went away with everything working fine and came back when the turbines returned to rotating . In that installation it was a CM5020 being used.
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post #32 of 46 (permalink) Old 2014-06-18, 11:28 AM
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More antenna height should help. How much is difficult to say. It would have to be at least high enough to clear the wind turbines to get LOS to the TV towers. Even then, a very directional antenna might required. Stacking antennas, vertically and/or horizontally may also help. That is often used to reduce signal fluctuations due to other interference, like aircraft and tropo.
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post #33 of 46 (permalink) Old 2014-06-18, 01:52 PM
 
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ExDilbert, these turbines are roughly 150-200 feet tall, getting above them would be out of the question. I know there are some "smaller" ones, but nothing under 100ft.
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That's a tough situation. I lose 1 and 2 edge signals here when helicopters fly over. (We are on a medical helicopter flight path.) Height may still help if it provides LOS to the TV towers. Without LOS, signals reflected off the wind turbines can be stronger than the main signal. Stacking and ganging antennas will work better with LOS as well.
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post #35 of 46 (permalink) Old 2014-06-20, 11:59 AM
 
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Problem with adding height is that we are right beside Lake Erie - ie the lowest point of land. There are hundreds of turbines between here and Detroit - all at a considerably higher elevation. No way that I can get above them. The local antenna installer has said that he has tried an 80' tower - but no success.
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post #36 of 46 (permalink) Old 2016-11-25, 10:09 PM
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Hey all,

We're looking at renewing our antenna to eliminate a loss of signal. I came across this thread and it made me realize we may have the same problem. What we have noticed is on rainy weather days the signal is good and on sunny days we suffer from signal loss. My wife would say it's the wind but no on sunny windless days we lose signal. Can anyone else confirm/negate this possibility?

The cottage is at Lambton shores and our signal losses occur on channels 8, 10, 20, 29, 42 and 51 which is where the new wind farm has erected along the east coat of lake Huron. We were at the cottage last weekend high winds, rain and great reception yet the beach was ripped away, hummmm!!!
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post #37 of 46 (permalink) Old 2016-11-26, 08:24 AM
 
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What we have noticed is on rainy weather days the signal is good and on sunny days we suffer from signal loss.
You should probably investigate anything with a solar panel or solar cell that recharges a battery (ie, accent or security lighting) instead of tacking your post onto a thread that discussed wind turbines which, obviously, are not going to operate differently under the conditions you noted.
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post #38 of 46 (permalink) Old 2016-11-26, 08:50 AM
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It's more likely tropo interference from stations in Michigan. A better antenna could help.
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post #39 of 46 (permalink) Old 2016-11-26, 10:21 PM
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Although Attenuation due to RAIN is not a problem at TV Frequencies, the WEATHER itself can have some profound impacts on Propagation, changing the Surface Conductivity as well as the Atmospheric Refractivity as the storm passes through....and then there are DUCTING effects that can HELP long range propagation....or KILL long range reception as the Duct PREVENTS reception, depending on relative heights of the Transmitter, Duct and Receiver.....esp. if the Transmitter is ABOVE the Duct:
http://www.pac-attack.com/articles/r...ve-propagation
http://www.dxfm.com/content/propagation.htm

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FYI: Communications Research Center (CRC in Canada) published "Effects of Windmills on DTV" in Jan 2006 but I can no longer locate a weblink for this ATSC Study. However, it's probably similar to fol. Joint CRC and Univ. Basque Country, Spain Report. Since Interference appears as Multipath, try increasing Antenna Gain:
Impact analysis of wind farms on telecommunication services

Fol. article specifically addresses impact of Windmills on European (et. al. ) DVB-T Wavform:
http://www.ehu.eus/tsr_radio/images/...ANGU-12-01.pdf

Fol. article also addresses diffraction from the Python Support Structures [May need FREE Registration to access]:
https://www.researchgate.net/publica..._Wind_Turbines

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BTW: See Audubon Society's summary of impact of Windturbines on Birds....and the lengths to which SOME [certainly NOT all] Wind Farms have gone to MINIMIZE these impacts:
http://www.audubon.org/news/will-win...-be-safe-birds

And also fol. summary from [UK's] Carbon Brief....which compares bird deaths due to Wind turbines to the other, MUCH HIGHER causes of bird deaths:
https://www.carbonbrief.org/bird-dea...t-the-evidence
https://www.carbonbrief.org/about-us
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post #40 of 46 (permalink) Old 2016-11-27, 08:55 PM
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Thanks for the responses, onward with the antenna....
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post #41 of 46 (permalink) Old 2018-04-07, 06:17 PM
 
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Do what the guy next store to me did he called the men in black, on me my sat dish was installed 15 feet in the air to get over the church to get all the sats , when I moved the dish the motor coasted out a tv interference noise signal that disrupted his tv viewing, and yes they told me I could be charge bylaw for interrupting his tv viewinging.

They were sitting in an unmarked car with test equipment waiting for me to turn that big old 10 foot dish 15 feet in the air lol

So if I could have been charged and made to stop using my sat motor because of signal interference , the wind mills should also be tested for the same interference testing I went threw . And made to stop
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post #42 of 46 (permalink) Old 2018-04-07, 09:44 PM
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The law states that receiving equipment, aka viewers, must accept legally generated interference but cannot generate interference that is outside legally defined limits. There is a big difference between causing reception loss by reflection or infraction, as with legally installed windmills, and illegally emitting RF interference, as with a defective dish rotor. You have no legal ground to stand on. Replacing the dish motor with one that does not emit RF interference is the only remedy.
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post #43 of 46 (permalink) Old 2018-04-08, 12:20 AM
 
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ExDilbert I understand that . just as if a drill or and other device causes RF interference. Must be repaired or replaced
But everyone is looking at the Blades causing reception loss by reflection or infraction , but no one has had them check the generators of said devices for RF transmitted interference. when in operation.

It is an electronic device and it also has a motor to turn said device into the path of greater force, no one has watch and or have documated TV interference with said device when that motor is in operation.
( defective dish rotor )
I guess no one has ever heard them turn.
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post #44 of 46 (permalink) Old 2018-04-08, 11:53 AM
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willie, the control cabling in your dish setup is shielded and grounded?
I have never heard of a low voltage dc motor causing IX.

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post #45 of 46 (permalink) Old 2018-04-08, 12:16 PM
 
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majortom yes it was . the 4 inch by 20 feet pipe was sank into the ground 5 feet, It was the motor that was causing his interference , fixing or replacing it had no problem with it. But the guy next store had a real issue when the chest nut tree he planted on my side of the line , started to hailmary those nuts down on his new pickup truck , and he went to cut it down . I was like sorry you better higher a pro tree cutter and stump remover before you cross that line . Thing is I wanted to cut that tree down when I first moved in he put his foot down it was his tree I could not cut it down . but after a had the land servaid, I never told him it was on my land till the right time came along.
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