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#1 ·
I have a question and am a complete newbie to satellites. I've been on the Lyngsat site, but have a question. It says "Channels from <location>". Does it mean I can only get channels from North America? I live in the GTA and Canada's pickings are very slim, and the U.S. doesn't have that much I want to watch either. Can I receive signals from other countries (assuming they use NTSC, like Japan)?

Sorry if this is in a FAQ, but I didn't find it anywhere.

Edit by 57 - Dish Size: http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/57-...tellite-discussion-thread-35.html#post2452466
 
#3 ·
I am in Montreal, I can get from bellow AMC-7 (but there is trees in the way) to past INT-805 I would be able to catch some feeds off of NSS-806 but I would need a wideband feedhorn, and the fact that my house is in the way don't help much :)
 
#5 ·
You do realize that pretty much the only FTA on Dish is NASA, and Bell has nothing.

(Other than the respective company's promo channels showing how to hook up a receiver.)
 
#6 ·
ken0042 said:
You do realize that pretty much the only FTA on Dish is NASA, and Bell has nothing.

(Other than the respective company's promo channels showing how to hook up a receiver.)
That is not correct. On Dish GolTV is FTA - heaven for soccer fans. Also 30 music audio channels.
On BEV the radio channels are FTA, as well as the HD Demo loop.
 
#7 ·
So to get it right, if I have a FTA receiver for 110 and 119 all I would get for free is the NASA and Goaltv and the 30 music channels? Its better then nothing but its not much ;)
 
#8 ·
New to FTA satellite

I have been interested in FTA satellite for quite a while now and I was wondering what is involved in order to be able to receive these signals. I know that most people use large 10 ft. dishes in their backyards but is it in any way possible to use a standard DBS dish receive a satellite signal? I realize that the reason people use large dishes with rotators is so that they are able to obtain feeds from many different satellites but is that just for accuracy or is it completely neccesary. Because this would be a hobby for me, I wouldn't really care about having everything automated so I wouldn't mind having to go and reallign the dish.

Next, what hardware is required and what outputs do the various receivers have? What standard is the programming broadcast in (resolution)? What programming is available and is it possible to pay/hack to receive more channels from other non-FreeToAir (ie. encrypted feeds like Fox)?

-Alex
 
#9 ·
If you can find one of the older, 24" round, StarChoice dishes you would be able to pick up some stuff. I have one myself. The small dishes used these days by ExpressVu and StarChoice would most likely be too small to pick up anything other than, well, ExpressVu or StarChoice.

Something else to note: there are two satellite bands: C band (3,700 to 4,200 MHz) and Ku (11,700 to 12,700 MHz). Note that C band frequencies are much lower than Ku band, so a much larger dish is needed. Those 10-ft dishes that you see can pick up C band signals. The smaller dishes (anything less than 6-ft.) can only receive Ku band signals.

A good website to check out is www.lyngsat.com. It has charts of what channels are on what frequencies on what satellites. It may look confusing at first, but surf the net and learn what it's all about!

For equipment (in the GTA at least), a number of computer stores are starting to include FTA satellite equipment. Check out ads in Hub magazine.

With regard to hacking encrypted channels: forget it. It is illegal.
 
#10 ·
I was researching dishes for FTA today. I was told that if I wanted to get C band, I would need to use at least a 120 centimeter dish. Their dish came with a Ku LNB so I would need to buy a C band LNB if I wanted to get both signals. The motor I wash shown was capable of moving upto a 120 CM dish. I havnt shopped around yet but was quoted about $100 for the C band LNB, $140 for the 120 CM dish and $119 for their Top motor. Like I said I have to shop around yet.
 
#11 · (Edited)
For a list of all Free-To-Air channels available on KU check out this: http://www.global-cm.net/MPEGlistKuBandUS.html

KU is the way to go, unless you already have a massive 6+ footer cband one.
To get most out of KU you'll need a 1 meter dish (the smaller you go, the less you'll be able to pick up). For receivers i recently purchased a COOLSAT 4000 PRO off ebay for $170. Excellent receiver with an eye pleasing interface. Plus i'd recommend getting a satillite finder SF-95 (got one off ebay for $20 and it is very handy)

If you just want FOX, ABC WB UPN, then 123.0 West (Galaxy 10-R) is the one you'll want to point at.
--------------
Partial list of networks on 123W
Fox
WMQF-Marquette, MI
KPBI-Ft Smith, AR

UPN
WBIF-Panama City, FL
KTVC-Oregon
KQUP-Spokane, WA
WGMU-Vermont

CBS
WVXF-Puerto Rico

ABC
KWTO-Casper, WY
KTTU-Cheyenne, WY
WPRU-Puerto Rico

WB
KWBF-Little Rock
KWFT-WB feed
KWBM-FT Smith

PAX
KYPX-LIttle Rock
--------------------

I currently am pointed at AMC4 101W for RTPi (Portuguese TV), which also has a FOX channel and the quality is close to that of bell i find.
 
#174 ·
This 5-year-old post shows a lot of channels for free! However, when I go to satbeams it says the streams are retired - quite likely I just don't know what I'm doing on Satbeams.

Can anyone provide some caveman-style recommendations (pretend ur talking to an 8 yr old) for Satbeams, and what might I expect in the GTA? Just the FTA stuff, single dish, no motor/repointing. Set it and forget it.

I'm aware I can get ABC, Fox, CBS etc via antenna (and I'm getting them that way) but I view this is a bit of a hobby. Besides, a different Fox feed might have an alternative football game..
 
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#16 ·
C-Band? Ku-Band? DVB? WTF? Can anybody recommend a readily available book that will explain the whole FTA/satellite concept to me in detail? I am thinking of building a new PC this year and I found a store in Ottawa that sells the Twinhan 102G PCI card (950~2150 MHz tuning range). I would love to get an FTA system up and running but I don't want to spend hours and hours on the internet and chatting with salespeople if I can just buy a book that will explain it all to me. Does anybody have comments to make on that particular card?
 
#17 ·
If you only want Ku-band then a 90cm or 1.2 meter dish with a motor is fine, for C-band a 8.5' or better yet a 10' will be fine, you can get both C-band and Ku-band with a big dish.

Here you will see what is free on Cband and Ku-band:
http://www.lyngsat.com/america.html
How to understand the charts:
http://www.dmsiusa.com/charts.htm

C-band Freq is 3000-5000
Ku-band is 11000 and up

You will be looking for the DVB in the clear feeds.
 
#19 ·
i live in mississauga, should i buy an OTA antenna and have about 15-20 relativly standard channels or should i purchase a toroidal dish and pansat 3500s and go the FTA way... either way it is around 300$ i have contct which can get me the dish and receiver for 100$ each... is FTA easy to set up once you have the dish installed? does the receiver like scan everyhting and get all the channels for you... one thing i definatly like about FTA is i will be able to get some european channels and that will be nice since i'm from europe.
 
#20 ·
staffpro, FTA channels not equal to OTA channels. CHeck out the links above for what comes in FTA.
 
#21 ·
New at this

:confused: A friend recently purchased a FTA system, I was over at his place checking it out because I had heard of this but not very familiar on how it works. The one thing I noiced right off the bat is that their is no information on the programming guide as to what is showing. Seems to be a bit of a pain searching through all the stations. Is he missing something or is this malfuction of the system?
 
#22 ·
stgreek said:
:confused: A friend recently purchased a FTA system, I was over at his place checking it out because I had heard of this but not very familiar on how it works. The one thing I noiced right off the bat is that their is no information on the programming guide as to what is showing. Seems to be a bit of a pain searching through all the stations. Is he missing something or is this malfuction of the system?

True Free To Air Satellite has no program guide.

Just out of interest what channels was he watching?
 
#23 ·
Yeah the majority of the channels don't have guide info, an exception would be some channels on IA5 (97 degrees). Guide info costs money to maintain & update and with FTA there is such a small percent of people using it, with no income going to the satellite distributers.
 
#24 ·
New as well

I was wondering if I can use my old DirectTV dish and LNB for FTA? I know that the receivers are now paperweights. What FTA receiver would be recommended for the DTV dish/LNB if I can use them? If not, what dish setup would be recommended? I'm looking to start with just Ku Band FTA first. I'm located near Toronto.

Thanks.
 
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