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post #61 of 93 (permalink) Old 2013-10-20, 08:02 PM
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Just thought I would mention, I bought a Gateway desktop on sale at Future Shop. My 2004 HP (with lots of upgrades) just keeps humming along. I set up some weather software that I have had running 24/7 every Spring, Summer, Fall and I set up the Gateway to do it instead of old PC. Gateway has been down 3 times in 3 weeks with no apparent reason. Just shuts down. Today's garbage.
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post #62 of 93 (permalink) Old 2014-03-05, 10:18 AM
 
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Simple Basic Desktop

I am looking to replace my 9 year old Dell Dimension PC and am looking for something that is simple, basic, reliable and relatively cheap. It is used mainly for emails, browsing, you tube and some online games, but not much.

Any suggestions on something? The Dell, while still working, is simply too slow and cannot be expanded beyond the 2 GB of RAM ... plus is XP.

Thanks!
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post #63 of 93 (permalink) Old 2014-03-05, 10:27 AM
 
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Get one of the Bay Trail J1800 motherboards. Fanless. Around $60. Including the CPU!
Add RAM, an SSD system drive and put all that in a small enclosure. Around $300 total.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/asu...ard,26210.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/bil...bad,25967.html
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So I didn't get the PC last year (see upthread) but as my current PC died on the weekend, I have to order one now. Here's what I'm looking at. Any comments?

Fractal Design Define R4 ATX Mid Tower Window Case Black 2X5.25 1X3.5 8X3.5INT 2X2.5SSD

Seasonic X-520FLII ATX 12V 24PIN 520W Active PFC 80PLUS Platinum Modular Fanless Power Supply

ASUS GeForce GTX 660 OC DirectCU 1020MHZ 2GB 6.0GHZ GDDR5 2xDVI HDMI DisplayPort PCI-E Video Card

ASUS P8Z77-V Pro LGA1155 Z77 DDR3 SLI 3PCI-E16 2PCI-E1 2PCI SATA3 DisplayPort USB3.0 Motherboard

Intel Core i7 3770K Unlocked Quad Core Hyperthreading Processor LGA1155 3.5GHZ Ivy Bridge 8MB Retail

Corsair Vengeance CML16GX3M2A1600C10 Low Profile 16GB 2X8GB DDR3-1600 CL10 Dual Channel Memory Kit

Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5in SATA3 MDX Solid State Disk Flash Drive SSD

Western Digitial WD3003FZEX Black 3TB SATA 6GB/S 7200RPM 64MB Cache 3.5in Hard Drive OEM

ASUS BW-12B1ST Blu-Ray Writer 12X BD-R 16X DVD+R SATA Black Retail


Used for development work and media streaming. Not a lot of gaming and no FPS games (mostly Civ and the new SimCity). Has to drive 2 DVI monitors and run a couple virtual machines (thus the 16 GB of RAM).
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Save a few bucks by going EVO instead of Pro (Samsung SSD).
Unless you need expansion options, consider mATX or miniITX boards.

Is there a reason you picked 3rd generation CPU? The current is 4th...

Keep in mind that K-class Intel CPUs don't support VT-x...
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Actually, the unlocked (K-series) CPUs don't support VT-d, but they do support general hardware-based virtualization (VT-x)

http://software.intel.com/en-us/blog...or-directed-io

As for sticking with Ivy Bridge vs Haswell, there isn't much performance improvement unless you are using integrated Intel graphics, or are using a laptop where power usage becomes important.
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My bad - you are right.
VT-x is supported, VT-d isn't.

RE: CPU
But you don't win in $$ either...
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Hi four, BGY11 - thanks for the responses.

The reason why I'm going 3rd gen is because I want a mobo that has integrated WLAN and all the 4th gen mobos I could find were close to $400. Plus the Haswell architecture runs somewhat hotter?

four, any comments on the SSD benchmarks at http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/ ? Specifically the read speed? Also, what quad-core CPU would you recommend?

Forgot to ask - I replaced my late lamented Core 2 Duo's fan with a Zalman CNPS9500-Cu-LED Heatsink to cut down on noise. Are the stock fans on these new CPU's quiet?
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NeilN, take a look at The Tech Report's system guide. It was updated a few days ago, and it's got reasonable recommendations at different price categories for every major component.
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1. WLAN: I'd go with this mobo
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX47273
Two network cards can be useful with VMs.
2. SSD benchmarks: I trust Anand with SSD reviews.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7173/s...dels-tested/12
Using them for about 6 months. No problems.
3. CPU: Unless you know exactly why not, I'd go with an i5 4th generation
4. Fans: Stock fans are really quiet in 3rd/4th generation Intel CPUs.
Unless you build an HTPC or something, no need to replace.
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@audacity Thanks, but their recommendations don't focus on one of my key goals (performance, as quiet as possible). The R4 is one of the quietest cases around (rated better than the recommendations), the PSU is fanless, and the graphics card is also very quiet.
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@four

1. Nice board but I don't think the ASUS GeForce GTX 660 OC will fit on there?

2. Ok, the EVO it is.

3. See #1. I'm willing to go 4th gen (Intel Core i5 4670K Unlocked Haswell Quad Core 3.4GHZ?) if I can find a quiet video card that will fit.

4. Okay.
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I run a Gigabyte GV-N670 on that board in this case
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX39865
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Thank you for the suggestions FOUR, but I am not looking to build or rebuild a machine (outside of adding memory). I am looking for something off the shelf at this point.
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post #75 of 93 (permalink) Old 2014-03-05, 02:14 PM
 
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Sybok - for the usage that you listed I think any basic machine will do. A mini-tower PC with Windows 8, 1 TB HD and 8 GB ram can be found for under $500 including taxes. (Acer, HP, etc)
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