Correction: you respond to them with lectures based only on what you consider to be "reason" and "factual"
How have they not been rational or factual? None of you, including yourself have even bothered to raise any counter arguments and instead go straight to attacking me.
(e.g. I provided recent cost estimates of the F-35 from other countries with sources in the above post, and you like you did so many times before ignored it outright and focused entirely on the statement about me ignoring others. How Ironic)
while failing to discuss opposing views in any form of friendly, mutually respectful discourse.
How have I been unfriendly? Disrespectful? Have I made any personal attacks? Have I been using verbally abusing language?
Your one-topic single-mindedness is merely boring now. Move on.
I'm sorry for caring about a subject more than just to keep myself from getting bored.
But The Star obviously is a left-leaning communist rag who doesn't understand the issues and is biased against the purchase anyway.
Toronto Star IS
a Left-leaning news agency. No one in the right mind would challenge this.
As for responding to the claim by Toronto Star that the F-35 costs 120 million now, and 90 million in the future by pentagon's estimates.
I refer you to the USAF Budget Data
While yes it is true, recurring cost for each F-35 is estimated to be 95 Million in 2016.
As mentioned before though, one needs to account for both the recurring and non-recurring cost to get the accurate picture when it comes to procurement.
Harper's 9 Billion comes from here
Harper's estimate for 9 Billion = Weapon Systems Cost + Spares + other costs related to basing and salaries.
USAF budget data states Total Weapon Systems cost = 6.043044 Billion for 48 planes, or extrapolated to 8.183 Billion for 65.
Data for initial Spares = 274.415 Million for 48 planes, or 371.6 Million for 65.
Combine this with Harper's estimates for other basing/salary estimates, we have:
8.555 Billion + 0.9 Billion = 9.455 Billion
Based ENTIRELY on FY2016 estimate, the procurement cost of 65 F-35 will be 455 Million over the 9 Billion estimate.
However, since we aren't buying all 65 fighters in 2016, one would expect, should the estimate be accurate, to be lower than 9.455 Billion, since based on USAF budget data, FY2017 ~3% cheaper than 2016.
Rough estimate maybe around 9.2 - 9.0 Billion.
Yes, it is more than Harper's estimate, but only slightly.
And they state nothing concrete, no factual numbers, with very vague wording.
Things are going way out of control very fast with the entire F-35 budget process. The DND wants a minimum of 65 new jets, but the government is evading the issue. They don't have a "Plan B" either. We could save them a lot of trouble and effort if they'd just follow our advice to scrap the deal.
How are things going out of control with the budget process? A delay of purchase?
There is no plan B because there are no contenders that meet the DND's requirements.
Before you say it, here are the requirements.