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Global's Transition PSIP Issues Explained - see Post #24

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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
I am currently seeing what I can only describe as digital "snow" on CICT-DT (Global) Calgary. It looks like analog snow but everything is on a green background. Is it just me?
BTW, Global on Channel 2 analog is just fine.

UPDATE: The station (on all channels) was briefly frozen on an image from an earlier commercial.
No sound on Channel 41. But on Channel 2 and on Shaw Cable 7 (both analog) the sound was as per the usual programming.

UPDATE 2: Everything back to normal, except that the PSIP information for Channel 41 is different. It now says CICT-HD (was CICT-DT) and strangely the signal level seems a little better than before.
 
#28 ·
Same in Calgary with CICT-DT/SD

Samsung TV shows CICT-DT 2.1 (normal) and CICT-SD 2.2 (bunched up 4:3) ok, but Hauppauge WinTV HVR-1850 in Vista MC will not lock on into CICT-DT 2.1 (Channel 41). This means that under Vista MC this channel is not available for viewing/recording. Hope this gets 'fixed' before fall season starts...

WinTV over same board will show both entries after scan, but can only display CICT-DT 2.1, and will not lock onto CICT-SD 2.2.

Updated all drivers, re-build ATSC via NTSC hack on Canadian Vista MC, and still would not accept lock on CICT-DT, giving same "No TV Signal" error, whereas the channel strength scan shows 100%...

Trying now with Hauppauge 1600 on Vista and Hauppauge 950 USB, but it seems Windows MC is the culprit, not the hardware...

EDIT: Same result, whatever PC or tuner is used. Vista and W7 MC hate 2.1 CICT-DT (recently was renamed to CICT-HD according to Samsung).
EDIT2: The 2.2 CICT-SD is no longer visible on Samsung TV, but Windows Media Centre still is choking on CICT-DT 2.1
 
#30 ·
Changes in Vancouver PSIP....

Guys....

Based on your feedback I've altered the TVCT table on the Vancouver transmitter to remove all trace of that program 0, 8.2/22.2 setting.

If one of you that was having trouble with Windows 7 Media center would be so kind as to scan again and see if this change helps at all.

I only did the HD transmitter in Vancouver, but if this appears to solve the problem I can blast the rest of the country tomorrow.

Cheers!

Dan

Edit:
Paste in analyzer:
 
#31 ·
I still get 8.1 correctly and also 22.1 active - same as 8.1.
I am using WinTV-HVR-1250 with software Easy HDTV DVR here is the PSIP file it gets from CHAN TV.... I hope it helps :)


VSB:8-VSB ANT 22
PID=0x0000
PAT TSID=0x0001 Ver=3 current=1 Section=1/1
program_count=1
Program Number: 1, program_map_PID: 0x0030
PID=0x0030
PMT TIDE=0x0001 Ver=3 current=1 Section=1/1
program_number = 1
stream_type = 0x02 (Video ) elementary_PID = 0x0031 ES_info_length = 0
stream_type = 0x81 (AC3 Audio ) elementary_PID = 0x0034 ES_info_length = 12
Tag=0x0A (ISO_639_lang_descr), Len=4 0x65 0x6E 0x67 0x00
Tag=0x81 (AC3 Audio), Len=4 0x08 0x38 0x13 0x00
stream_type = 0x81 (AC3 Audio ) elementary_PID = 0x0035 ES_info_length = 12
Tag=0x0A (ISO_639_lang_descr), Len=4 0x65 0x6E 0x67 0x00
Tag=0x81 (AC3 Audio), Len=4 0x08 0x28 0x13 0x00
PID=0x1D00
EIT source_id=0x0001 Ver=27 current=1 Section=1/1
event_count=6
event_id: 0x0020
start_time = 2011-07-26 11:00:00 dst
ETM_location: 0x1
event_length = 30
title_length 19
event_id: 0x0021
start_time = 2011-07-26 11:30:00 dst
ETM_location: 0x1
event_length = 30
title_length 19
event_id: 0x0022
start_time = 2011-07-26 12:00:00 dst
ETM_location: 0x1
event_length = 30
title_length 19
event_id: 0x0023
start_time = 2011-07-26 12:30:00 dst
ETM_location: 0x1
event_length = 30
title_length 19
event_id: 0x0024
start_time = 2011-07-26 13:00:00 dst
ETM_location: 0x1
event_length = 30
title_length 19
event_id: 0x0025
start_time = 2011-07-26 13:30:00 dst
ETM_location: 0x1
event_length = 30
title_length 19
PID=0x1D01
EIT source_id=0x0001 Ver=27 current=1 Section=1/1
event_count=7
event_id: 0x0025
start_time = 2011-07-26 13:30:00 dst
ETM_location: 0x1
event_length = 30
title_length 19
event_id: 0x00A6
start_time = 2011-07-26 14:00:00 dst
ETM_location: 0x1
event_length = 30
title_length 19
event_id: 0x00A7
start_time = 2011-07-26 14:30:00 dst
ETM_location: 0x1
event_length = 30
title_length 19
event_id: 0x00A8
start_time = 2011-07-26 15:00:00 dst
ETM_location: 0x1
event_length = 30
title_length 19
event_id: 0x00A9
start_time = 2011-07-26 15:30:00 dst
ETM_location: 0x1
event_length = 30
title_length 19
event_id: 0x00AA
start_time = 2011-07-26 16:00:00 dst
ETM_location: 0x1
event_length = 30
title_length 19
event_id: 0x00AB
start_time = 2011-07-26 16:30:00 dst
ETM_location: 0x1
event_length = 30
title_length 19
PID=0x1E00
ETT TIDE=0x1307 Ver=27 current=1 Section=1/1
PID=0x1E02
ETT TIDE=0x126C Ver=27 current=1 Section=1/1
PID=0x1FFB
MGT TIDE=0x0000 Ver=24 current=1 Section=1/1
tables_defined: 9
VCT PID 0x1FFB TID 0xCB Version: 6
ETT-000 PID 0x1E00 TID 0xCC Version: 27
ETT-001 PID 0x1E01 TID 0xCC Version: 27
ETT-002 PID 0x1E02 TID 0xCC Version: 27
ETT-003 PID 0x1E03 TID 0xCC Version: 27
EIT-000 PID 0x1D00 TID 0xCB Version: 27
EIT-001 PID 0x1D01 TID 0xCB Version: 27
EIT-002 PID 0x1D02 TID 0xCB Version: 27
EIT-003 PID 0x1D03 TID 0xCB Version: 27
TVCT TSID=0x411B Ver=7 current=1 Section=1/1
protocol_version 0
channel_count 1
channel=8.1 CHAN-HD
modulation_mode: 0x04
carrier_frequency: 0
channel_TSID: 0x411B
program_number: 1
ETM_location: 0x0
access_controlled: 0
hidden: 0
hide_guide: 1
service_type: 0x02 - ATSC digital television
source_id: 0x0001
descriptors_length: 23
pcr_pid=0x31
stream_type = 0x02 (Video ) PID = 0x0031 lang_code =
stream_type = 0x81 (AC3 Audio ) PID = 0x0034 lang_code = eng
stream_type = 0x81 (AC3 Audio ) PID = 0x0035 lang_code = eng
STT TIDE=0x0000 Ver=0 current=1 Section=1/1
 
#34 ·
Vista MC on CICT-DT in Calgary

Keeping my fingers crossed for Calgary. Tested just now, no change as of yet (did not expect it anyhow...).

Rescan does not work in Vista as Microsoft still does not get it that ATSC is also available in Canada. I have to manually add the DTV channels after doing the 'ATSC Vista Hack for Canada', to just get the ATSC tuners accepted by Media Center (and allow Digital reception to work)...
 
#35 ·
Liverpud.....

I sent a note off to the Toronto boys about the CN tower transmitter. I don't think we're switching that one until roughly the third week of August, so don't think the analogue should be impacted yet.

Netwerk.....
Yeah, thanks very much for checking. Still a bit weird that hidden tvct entry causes it to go out, but that seems to be one of the challenges with dtv, different devices seem to be affected by different things.

Mackerel....
Check later tomorrow. I'll do the same change to the rest of the transmitters tomorrow. (except Saskatoon, I have to change something at the station first)

By the way, we're taking down the Lethbridge transmitter tomorrow to convert it. If we're lucky it will be up late tomorrow, if we're less lucky, might take 2 or 3 days.

Cheers!

Dan
 
#36 ·
Dan,

I'm hesitant to say you found a complete solution, since I have to use a bit of a workaround to get CHAN-HD (8.1).

Windows 7 Media Center. Tasks > Settings > TV > TV Signal > Set Up TV Signal
* Region: United States
* ZIP code: 98226 (Bellingham WA)
Update TV setup data and guide listings for my region (from Zap2it)
Cancel Examining TV Signals and configure manually
* Digital Antenna (Hauppauge WinTV-7164 BDA ATSC/QAM Tuners #1 - #4)
* Analog Antenna (Hauppauge WinTV-7164 Analog Tuners #1 - #4)

At this point, the Guide has a listing for CHANDT 8.1 Global BC HD - Canadian Independent. 100% Digital TV Antenna Signal Strength.

But, I still get the message that, Service is unavailable. There is currently no TV signal detected for this channel. My other DTV channels are OK (CBC,CITY,CTV, OMNI, KVOS)

In order to get Global, I have to Scan for More Channels under the Tasks > Settings > TV > TV Signal. This workaround also fixed my other computer with the ViXS digital tuner.

This leads me to think that the Guide listings and TV data that 7MC downloads from Zap2it is no longer correct for the new PSIP setup.

My Guide data is:
Tasks > Settings > TV > Guide > About Guide Listings
Digital Terrestrial Lineup
ID: 209958054
TV Signal: Digital Antenna (ATSC)
Language: English
End Date: 8/5/2011 7:00:00 PM

You can report guide data issues directly to Microsoft at:
https://connect.microsoft.com/site1145/Feedback

You might have a bit more influence with your credentials and background knowledge.
 
#39 ·
You're welcome Dan.

I'm not sure if this helps, but Stampeder (Who knows his stuff!) has this post on Vancouver DTV channels.

Code:
8.1       22.2     CHAN-DT      GLOBAL Vancouver, BC
I noticed that it is the 22.2 sub-channel that is mapped to 8.1 virtual. This maybe the TV data that Zap2it provides when setting up media center.

Whereas, Danbcman said that Global is on 22.1
I still get 8.1 correctly and also 22.1 active - same as 8.1.

I honestly have no idea what this means, if anything at all.
 
#40 ·
Navwizard,

Any idea when I can start scanning for CIII digital in Ottawa? Keep up the good work!
 
#44 ·
@frontpl8: I get my guide info as expected, no problem there. Current to 8/8

@netwerk: Yes, bit of an issue, but I do not seem to get Global Digital at all via Vista MC, analog is OK, Guide is ok, but viewing and/or recording the DT is out... As they say in the old country: Helaas Pindakaas. ;)
 
#45 ·
I think the problem people have been having lately with MC is its inability to deal with change. Microsoft tells us what channels are what and if it doesn't jive with their XML channels list we will run into grief. I think the whole roll over we are going to go through here in the near future is going to be very painful for MC users.

I wish microsoft would open up media center a bit and let us have the ability to change stuff.

Right now MC thinks Global is 22.1 -> 8.1. After do some re-scans I can now watch the channel but if I try to do something like set up a show to record in the future it can not find the signal. Its very frustrating to say the least.

I think if global was actually on 22.1 -> 8.1 MC users would not have any issues.
 
#46 · (Edited)
Netwerk, scheduled recordings on Global CHANDT 8.1 failed for me too, until I changed the workaround I posted earlier.
* Run TV Setup
* Delete Global from the lineup.
* Then run Scan for More Channels.

I agree that 7MC continues to use it's own tuninginfo from a few weeks ago which no longer matches Global's current operating parameters.

I never thought I'd have to open the MXF files again.
C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\eHome\mcepg1-1-0\backup\lineup

What is interesting are these lines. I wish I knew what it meant!
I feel the problem is with these parameters:

logicalNumber="8" subNumber="1" physicalNumber="22" frequency="0"

Code:
              <Channel uid="!MCChannel!209958054!189951298_22_8_OC:8:1" lineup="!MCLineup!209958054" guid="26079979430f48fdbac4111f67a9baed" callSign="" matchName="OC:8:1" normalizedMatchName="|oc:8:1|" matchNameCount="1" number="8" subNumber="1" uniqueId="7599824371213967" oneTouchNumber="-1" callSignHash="" originalNumber="8" originalSubNumber="1" channelNumberPriority="0" userBlockedState="0" visibility="0" channelType="0" isSuggestedBlocked="false" isEncrypted="false" isBranded="false" watchedDuration="0">
                <tuningInfos>
                  <ChannelTuningInfo serializationFormat="0" serializedTuneRequest="" signalQuality="100" tuneRequestHash="0" isSubscribed="true" isSuggestedBlocked="false" isEncrypted="false" applicableTuningSpace="" logicalNumber="8" subNumber="1" physicalNumber="22" frequency="0" countryCode="" modulation="0" />
                </tuningInfos>
                <service uid="!MCService!189951298" affiliate="!MCAffiliate!Canadian Independent" name="Global BC HD" callSign="CHANDT" isPayPerView="false" isHDCapable="true" serviceType="0" isMergedService="false" scheduleEndTime="2011-08-11T00:00:00Z" filterFlagsStartTime="2011-07-30T12:00:00Z">
              </Channel>

                          <MergedChannel id="00798" lineup="!MCLineup!MainLineup" service="!MCService!189951298" primaryChannel="!MCChannel!209958054!189951298_22_8_OC:8:1" guid="a1818f3aa8424d81828505f5e63ab8af" callSign="" matchName="OC:8:1" normalizedMatchName="|oc:8:1|" matchNameCount="1" number="8" subNumber="1" uniqueId="7881299348547611" oneTouchNumber="-1" callSignHash="" originalNumber="8" originalSubNumber="1" channelNumberPriority="2" userBlockedState="0" visibility="0" channelType="4" isSuggestedBlocked="false" isEncrypted="false" isBranded="true" watchedDuration="0" hasUserMappedListings="false" ignoreInbandSchedule="false">
                            <tuningInfos>
                              <ChannelTuningInfo id="00715" device="006FC" serializationFormat="0" serializedTuneRequest="" signalQuality="100" tuneRequestHash="117711887397597135" isSubscribed="true" isSuggestedBlocked="false" isEncrypted="false" applicableTuningSpace="" logicalNumber="8" subNumber="1" physicalNumber="22" frequency="0" countryCode="US" modulation="0">
                                <TuningInfoOverride channel="00798" preferredOrder="7049" userBlockedState="0" isUserOverride="false" />
                              </ChannelTuningInfo>
                              <ChannelTuningInfo id="00716" device="006FD" serializationFormat="0" serializedTuneRequest="" signalQuality="100" tuneRequestHash="117711887397597135" isSubscribed="true" isSuggestedBlocked="false" isEncrypted="false" applicableTuningSpace="" logicalNumber="8" subNumber="1" physicalNumber="22" frequency="0" countryCode="US" modulation="0">
                                <TuningInfoOverride channel="00798" preferredOrder="7049" userBlockedState="0" isUserOverride="false" />
                              </ChannelTuningInfo>
                              <ChannelTuningInfo id="00717" device="006FE" serializationFormat="0" serializedTuneRequest="" signalQuality="100" tuneRequestHash="117711887397597135" isSubscribed="true" isSuggestedBlocked="false" isEncrypted="false" applicableTuningSpace="" logicalNumber="8" subNumber="1" physicalNumber="22" frequency="0" countryCode="US" modulation="0">
                                <TuningInfoOverride channel="00798" preferredOrder="7049" userBlockedState="0" isUserOverride="false" />
                              </ChannelTuningInfo>
                              <ChannelTuningInfo id="00718" device="006FF" serializationFormat="0" serializedTuneRequest="" signalQuality="100" tuneRequestHash="117711887397597135" isSubscribed="true" isSuggestedBlocked="false" isEncrypted="false" applicableTuningSpace="" logicalNumber="8" subNumber="1" physicalNumber="22" frequency="0" countryCode="US" modulation="0">
                                <TuningInfoOverride channel="00798" preferredOrder="7049" userBlockedState="0" isUserOverride="false" />
                              </ChannelTuningInfo>
                              <ChannelTuningInfo idref="00043" />
                              <ChannelTuningInfo idref="00044" />
                              <ChannelTuningInfo idref="00045" />
                              <ChannelTuningInfo idref="00046" />
                              <ChannelTuningInfo id="00719" device="006FC" serializationFormat="1" signalQuality="100" tuneRequestHash="117711887397597135" isSubscribed="true" isSuggestedBlocked="false" isEncrypted="false" applicableTuningSpace="" logicalNumber="8" subNumber="1" physicalNumber="22" frequency="0" countryCode="US" modulation="0">
                                <serializedTuneRequest></serializedTuneRequest>
                                <TuningInfoOverride channel="00798" preferredOrder="7049" userBlockedState="0" isUserOverride="false" />
                              </ChannelTuningInfo>
                              <ChannelTuningInfo id="0071A" device="006FD" serializationFormat="1" signalQuality="100" tuneRequestHash="117711887397597135" isSubscribed="true" isSuggestedBlocked="false" isEncrypted="false" applicableTuningSpace="" logicalNumber="8" subNumber="1" physicalNumber="22" frequency="0" countryCode="US" modulation="0">
                                <serializedTuneRequest></serializedTuneRequest>
                                <TuningInfoOverride channel="00798" preferredOrder="7049" userBlockedState="0" isUserOverride="false" />
                              </ChannelTuningInfo>
                              <ChannelTuningInfo id="0071B" device="006FE" serializationFormat="1" signalQuality="100" tuneRequestHash="117711887397597135" isSubscribed="true" isSuggestedBlocked="false" isEncrypted="false" applicableTuningSpace="" logicalNumber="8" subNumber="1" physicalNumber="22" frequency="0" countryCode="US" modulation="0">
                                <serializedTuneRequest></serializedTuneRequest>
                                <TuningInfoOverride channel="00798" preferredOrder="7049" userBlockedState="0" isUserOverride="false" />
                              </ChannelTuningInfo>
                              <ChannelTuningInfo id="0071C" device="006FF" serializationFormat="1" signalQuality="100" tuneRequestHash="117711887397597135" isSubscribed="true" isSuggestedBlocked="false" isEncrypted="false" applicableTuningSpace="" logicalNumber="8" subNumber="1" physicalNumber="22" frequency="0" countryCode="US" modulation="0">
                                <serializedTuneRequest></serializedTuneRequest>
                                <TuningInfoOverride channel="00798" preferredOrder="7049" userBlockedState="0" isUserOverride="false" />
                              </ChannelTuningInfo>
                            </tuningInfos>
                            <secondaryChannels>
                              <Channel uid="!ComputedChannels!7e7de6ee9fff46358b81b12e85a3e65e!c5427f3d275d414c8d6482c314e31418!26079979430f48fdbac4111f67a9baed" lineup="00008" guid="99e56a6776a34f41a576903faef6ffd0" callSign="" matchName="OC:8:1" normalizedMatchName="|oc:8:1|" matchNameCount="1" number="8" subNumber="1" uniqueId="7599824371836904" oneTouchNumber="-1" callSignHash="" originalNumber="8" originalSubNumber="1" channelNumberPriority="2" userBlockedState="0" visibility="0" channelType="2" isSuggestedBlocked="false" isEncrypted="false" isBranded="false" watchedDuration="0">
                                <tuningInfos>
                                  <ChannelTuningInfo idref="00715" />
                                  <ChannelTuningInfo idref="00716" />
                                  <ChannelTuningInfo idref="00717" />
                                  <ChannelTuningInfo idref="00718" />
                                </tuningInfos>
                                <service affiliate="!MCAffiliate!Canadian Independent" name="Global BC HD" callSign="CHANDT" isPayPerView="false" isHDCapable="false" serviceType="0" isMergedService="false" scheduleEndTime="0001-01-01T00:00:00Z" filterFlagsStartTime="9999-12-31T23:59:59.9999999Z" hdtvFilterFlagArray="" kidsFilterFlagArray="" movieFilterFlagArray="" newsFilterFlagArray="" specialFilterFlagArray="" sportsFilterFlagArray="" />
                              </Channel>
                              <Channel idref="!ComputedChannels!a5e5bc2ba6ef4056949b8dfb2b254072!5cc531dbda51441ba0ace6dfaccaebff!63ab3263361e4369a55352fba430aa25" />
                              <Channel uid="!Loaders!Glid!Channels for lineup 7e7de6ee9fff46358b81b12e85a3e65e!-1:16667:1" lineup="00008" guid="b4203fb34eb24c6b836349d7b385d622" callSign="" matchName="OC:8:1" normalizedMatchName="|oc:8:1|" matchNameCount="1" number="8" subNumber="1" uniqueId="7599824371838132" oneTouchNumber="-1" callSignHash="" originalNumber="8" originalSubNumber="1" channelNumberPriority="2" userBlockedState="0" visibility="0" channelType="1" isSuggestedBlocked="false" isEncrypted="false" isBranded="false" watchedDuration="0">
                                <tuningInfos>
                                  <ChannelTuningInfo idref="00719" />
                                  <ChannelTuningInfo idref="0071A" />
                                  <ChannelTuningInfo idref="0071B" />
                                  <ChannelTuningInfo idref="0071C" />
                                </tuningInfos>
                                <service name="CHAN-HD" callSign="CHAN-HD" isPayPerView="false" isHDCapable="false" serviceType="1" isMergedService="false" scheduleEndTime="0001-01-01T00:00:00Z" filterFlagsStartTime="9999-12-31T23:59:59.9999999Z" hdtvFilterFlagArray="" kidsFilterFlagArray="" movieFilterFlagArray="" newsFilterFlagArray="" specialFilterFlagArray="" sportsFilterFlagArray="">
                                  <affiliate uid="!Loaders!Glid!Affiliates!CHAN-HD" name="CHAN-HD" description="" />
                                </service>
                              </Channel>
                            </secondaryChannels>
                            <forceIncludeChannels>
                              <Channel idref="!ComputedChannels!a5e5bc2ba6ef4056949b8dfb2b254072!5cc531dbda51441ba0ace6dfaccaebff!63ab3263361e4369a55352fba430aa25" />
                            </forceIncludeChannels>
                          </MergedChannel>
 
#47 ·
The recent Global Vancouver OTA change has been transparent to my TV (Samsung) and PC (Beyond TV). However, I notice (kind of off-topic) that Global is now running a lower bitrate than before. It used to run the highest among local stations in Vancouver but it's now running lower bitrate (6.9GB/hr) than CTV (7.6GB/hr) and even CBC (7.4GB/hr). Is that change intentional to accomodate future subchannel, perhaps in-line with the up-coming analog shutdown?
 
#49 ·
CHAN on 22.1

I was hoping for a fix on CHAN 22. It remaps to 22.1 these days instead of 8.1 like it used to. From the discussions it looks like some people get the remap, but I'm don't. I get the conflict with JoeTV and the subsequent deletions of all the 22's if I tune to CHAN (22.1) while the antenna is facing south. I then re-establish the Seattle channels by going to channel 25.

Any new thoughts about what's going on?

Laurie in Ladner CM4228 with rotator and a Panasonic TH-50PX500U.
 
#51 ·
I get my guide info as expected, no problem there

Mackeral: what exactly are you getting the guide on, because i don't get it for any channels. It does not display the name of the current show, or any up coming show,or any description of the show. It just shows the station name, signal strength etc.program informtion unavailable. This is also the same on my sons new LCD with built in tuner, so i don't think its the converter boxes.
 
#53 ·
Content of what is being recorded can alter the file size I hope this gives a little better view of the rates.

Actual Data Rates as Seen by TSreader
Global 14.20
CTV 17.63
CBC 17.18

Actual recording rates as taken today from recordings from each station and read by VideoRedo
Global
File: Name : 2011-07-31 Manual Record 2.dvr-ms
Size : 0.088 GB
Duration : 00:00:45.11
Mux type : DVR-MS
Video: Encoding : MPEG2
VideoStreamID : xE0
Frame rate : 29.97 fps
Encoding size : 1920 x 1080
Aspect ratio : 16:9
Header bit rate : 24.000 Mbps
VBV buffer : 976 KBytes
Profile : Main@High
Progressive : Prog or Int
Chroma : 4:2:0
Bit rate : 14.609 Mbps
Audio Stream: 1 (Primary) Codec : AC3
Format : AC3 stream
Channels : 5.1
Sub stream id : x88
Bit rate : 384 Kbps
Sampling rate : 48000
Sample size : 16 bits

CTV
File: Name :2011-07-31 Manual Record 3.dvr-ms
Size : 0.108 GB
Duration : 00:00:48.04
Mux type : DVR-MS
Video: Encoding : MPEG2
VideoStreamID : xE0
Frame rate : 29.97 fps
Encoding size : 1920 x 1080
Display dimensions : 1920 x 1080
Aspect ratio : 16:9
Header bit rate : 17.192 Mbps
VBV buffer : 698 KBytes
Profile : Main@High
Progressive : Prog or Int
Chroma : 4:2:0
Bit rate : 16.881 Mbps
Audio Stream: 1 (Primary) Codec : AC3
Format : AC3 stream
Channels : 5.1
Sub stream id : x88
Bit rate : 384 Kbps
Sampling rate : 48000
Sample size : 16 bits
CBC
File: Name :2011-07-31 Manual Record.dvr-ms
Size : 0.070 GB
Duration : 00:00:31.26
Mux type : DVR-MS
Video: Encoding : MPEG2
VideoStreamID : xE0
Frame rate : 29.97 fps
Encoding size : 1920 x 1080
Display dimensions : 1920 x 1080
Aspect ratio : 16:9
Header bit rate : 16.800 Mbps
VBV buffer : 976 KBytes
Profile : Main@High
Progressive : Prog or Int
Chroma : 4:2:0
Bit rate : 16.973 Mbps
Audio Stream: 1 (Primary) Codec : AC3
Format : AC3 stream
Channels : 5.1
Sub stream id : x88
Bit rate : 384 Kbps
Sampling rate : 48000
Sample size : 16 bits
 
#55 ·
Content of what is being recorded can alter the file size I hope this gives a little better view of the rates.
I've read the header info as well. They aren't necessarily accurate either. That's why I compared different programs on each station (which are surprisingly consistent), before and after the recent Global change (consistently lower after). and if you compare TS stream info before the change you'll notice the bitrate number differences.
 
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