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post #1 of 22 (permalink) Old 2009-05-19, 10:27 PM Thread Starter
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Question Ontario law for Gas Furnance

If I recall correctly, Ontario has changed the law from

" no one other licensed personnel could touch the gas lines or related equipment even inside the house"

to

now the law applies to up to outside the house. the law does not cover inside the house anymore. It means you (owner without any help from anyone) could install your own furnace etc etc.

Is this true?

You still have the gas inspector before they could turn on the gas.
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post #2 of 22 (permalink) Old 2009-05-24, 10:07 AM
 
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Is this true? Like I would want to live next to or even within 1/2 mile of any Saturday mechanic type who thinks he could play with the gas line in his house to save a few bucks. Maybe saving his family, the house and entire neighbourhood for many blocks around would be a better choice. If this change was from the Ontario McGinny government then I can see this change happening. sailmaker
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post #3 of 22 (permalink) Old 2009-05-24, 02:22 PM
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Ill dig out my ontario gas code book monday and find out, Any changes would be in the code book and im not aware of a new releases.

And to be honest DIY has no buisness installing a furnace. These are not TV's or stereo speakers. You can mess up the install of those, but it wont risk your families life or your comfort level in the dead of winter, like a messed up furnace install.


20 years ago with old standing pilots i suppose a DIY would have been ok. But todays furnaces require proper training and installation. We are getting training year round to keep us up to date with new products.

For a DIY to duplicate a properly installed furnace would require some extras:
-manomator
-tin tools
-Carbon monoixide detector
-temp guages
-electrical permits
-fish tape for wireing
-flairing tools
-pipe cutter
-pipe threader
-heat load for sizing
-custom sheet metal ordered or built on site

Self install could void warranty if proven to be done incorrectly.

ect ect.

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post #4 of 22 (permalink) Old 2009-05-24, 08:28 PM
 
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As far as I know, I don't think it would be allowed under the gas code. I don't think you'd find a supplier who would sell to a unlicensed person anyway.

Not sure what province you're in, but in Ontario, TSSA has authority over license holders.

Fuel Industry Certificates Regulation (O.Reg 215/01)

Certificates
3.
(1) No person shall perform the functions of a certificate holder without first having obtained a certificate from the director designating the person as one or more of the following:

They then go on to list the various licenses.

So in Ontario at least, you're not allowed to install or service gas fired equipment unless you're a certificate holder.

I don't even want to think what your insurance company would have to say about your policy if you ever had a problem as well.

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Yes but if you read the exemptions in the same document you will see this.

Exemptions

55. (1) A person is exempt from subsection 3 (1) with respect to the following activities:

1. Installing or servicing an appliance in a detached dwelling that is owned and occupied by the person but the person shall not activate a newly installed appliance until a person who is the holder of an appropriate certificate referred to in subsection 3 (1) determines that the appliance and its installation comply with the requirements of Ontario Regulation 212/01 (Gaseous Fuels) and Ontario Regulation 213/01 (Fuel Oil).


I have installed my own gas lines and appliences, but then had a person who held a certificate inspect my work, including pressure testing the system... I had checked around with a couple of people who were certified and said this was fine as long as it was inspected. My dad used to have his gas certificate and had all the tools to do it, but was too sick to do it himself.
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Well, there you go then, that's what I get for not reading further eh? I know it used to be fairly common, but since the TSSA took over, things have been tightening up.

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Perhaps a little off topic, but what are the rules with respect to disconnecting a gas range? I will be moving soon and taking the range with me. The new owners will not be putting in a gas range. Do I have to have a gas service tech disconnect and cap the line?
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yes you must cap the un used line.

typical charge 1/2hr to an hour. we would charge our diagnostic rate $99

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Hmmm, just installed my own gas dryer this weekend. Wasn't too difficult and tested all connections for leaks. However from the looks of this thread I need to have a "certificate holder" come out and inspect it to sign off?
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once i get my back yard done up, i will be installing a natural gas bbq and running the lines and hooking up myself. i don't hold a gas ticket but i have done lots of gas fitting at work on 300hp boilers and large shop heaters and i haven't had a leak [yet...]

i just need to try and find a reducing cross that is 3/4" on the inlet and 1/2" on the other 3 [or just go with a 3/4" cross and bush the others down to 1/2" but more chances for leakage that way]

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3/4 to 1/2 reducing coupling is pretty common fitting. Dont use bushings it hack and just screams DIY!

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Are you telling me that under the old law, you couldn't unplug your own gas stove and plug in the new one? It's essentially like hooking up a garden hose (albeit with stronger hose and connections)
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Are you telling me that under the old law, you couldn't unplug your own gas stove and plug in the new one? It's essentially like hooking up a garden hose (albeit with stronger hose and connections)
How many garden hoses do you see leaking at the faucet? Not so cool with it is natural gas.

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3/4 to 1/2 reducing coupling is pretty common fitting. Dont use bushings it hack and just screams DIY
where my fireplace is tapped off is a tee that is 3/4" inlet and 1/2" outlets [2 of them]. it is in the perfect location for me to run a line to the back yard for the bbq. if i could get a cross that is 3/4" inlet and the rest of them are 1/2" that would be perfect. i haven't seen one of those yet. i could use a 3,000 psi 1/2" cross and bore & tap the one end for 3/4" as it is beefy [wall thickness] enough to do that to but that is something i don't want to do. or i can add a second tee to the fireplace leg of the tee and double back the gas line from there to the bbq. the 3/4"x1/2"x1/2"x1/2" cross would be simplest if it exists

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Thanks for the confirmation

SO THE Ontario CODE DOES HAVE AN EXEMPTION for owner to install BUT only FOR DETACHED HOUSES BUT NOT FOR TOWN HOUSES.

thanks for clarification.
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