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post #451 of 1420 (permalink) Old 2007-12-31, 01:34 AM
 
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We also have good pre and post match coverage of Sky matches shown by Setanta. If you prefer the pre and post match provided by Sportsnet, TSN and Score then why not just stick to that and don't infest others with small-minded criticism. Better still, why not just stop taking Setanta if you are so upset! (and I am Scottish, not Irish!).
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I think I have bitten my tongue enough, but you know what they say" if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck," then this robin100 fellow is obviously a shill from day one for Setanta and now he even uses the corporate "we" to confirm it. It doesn't surprise me that he would use such words as "don't infest others with small-minded criticism" and "why not just stop taking Setanta if you are so upset!" That kind of take or it or leave it talk is indicative of someone who attempts to defend the indefensible. Probably the next thing will be the cancellations of the subscriptions of any of us who would have the temerity to criticise Setanta and their ill prepared money venture.
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post #452 of 1420 (permalink) Old 2007-12-31, 08:04 PM
 
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There are few more die-hard sports fans than yours truly but even I'm baffled by the appeal of those magazine style programmes. Most of them are just filler, at best. Others are full of overhyped nonsense and blatant marketing of brands and products that resemble infomercials. I can see the point to a hughlights programme for sporting events they don't show live or at a convenient time (eg. Dutch football) but the last thing Setanta needs is even more EPL.

Although I was also annoyed by the way the Canadian rugby team played - so much so that I was glad Japan equalized at the end of that match - I agree with Wayne that the Irish analysts went overboard and started piling on. (Did they see how the Irish played?!) Another commentator - Mark Robson from my hometown of Belfast - was very anti-New Zealand in an unprofessional way, while other analysts, predictably, denigrated England. I also agree there way too much emphasis on Ireland - the team I was supporting. The launch of Setanta seemed very last minute and I'm willing to believe that they will become a little less parochial as they develop an international audience. We'll see.

Also in fairness to Setanta I don't believe they were trying to soak the Canadian rugby fan by putting the good matches on PPV only. I think that was explained earlier in this thread. Blame the International Rugby Board for that. Expect the Six Nations to be the same.

Anyway, I don't anticipate subscribing unless their coverage of Aussie rugby league is extensive or they add some cricket.
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post #453 of 1420 (permalink) Old 2007-12-31, 08:18 PM
 
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Setanta's rugby coverage

I have to agree that many of the Setanta commentators and so called analysts for the RWC were awful. I got used to the Irish bias and sort of tuned it out but in general their analysts were very one sided and just aching for someone to beat the eventual winners the Springboks.

Nigel Starmer Smith might have been a decent rugby player but he is without doubt the worst commentator I have ever listened to. He mumbles on about player stats and info (obviously reading from a laptop) and gives boring personal observations whilst ignoring the game on the field. The only solution for me when he was commentating was the mute button.

I am enjoying Setanta but it's certainly not very slick Endless loops of the same four commercials and promos and shows starting late with the first five or more minutes of the game already played. The schedule is also still riddled with mistakes -wrong teams, wrong competition and even wrong game!

I am persevering for now but I hope it gets better ....

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post #454 of 1420 (permalink) Old 2008-01-06, 09:07 PM
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Also in fairness to Setanta I don't believe they were trying to soak the Canadian rugby fan by putting the good matches on PPV only. I think that was explained earlier in this thread. Blame the International Rugby Board for that. Expect the Six Nations to be the same.
It is very annoying when this is pretty the most expensive english language channel in the Rogers lineup and then when you get to important games they make you pay more for those games. That is particularly the case when you only watch the rugby and not much of the soccer.
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post #455 of 1420 (permalink) Old 2008-01-07, 09:40 AM
 
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In reply to JGP I'm just a regular watcher like anyone else, just that I feel Setanta is over-criticised for some things (not all) because they are, in Canada, the new kid on the block. For example
1. Did you see the PQ on Fox's week end FA Cup coverage, esp. the Man Utd game? Much poorer than Setanta and I switched over to a match running on Setanta at the same time to confirm that. It surely has to be the quality of the signal coming from UK?
2. For Wayne, how many times has it to be explained that the putting of the big rugby games on PPV is not Setanta's doing but a decree from the IRB. Setanta probably does the best it can by putting it on tape delay as soon as the IRB will allow. I'm sure it will be the same with the Six Nations. In a similar vein that's why all matches involving Rangers and Celtic are on at least a 48 hour delay - it's because the Rangers and Celtic clubs in Canada hold exclusive rights and invoke this minimum 48 hours.
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2. For Wayne, how many times has it to be explained that the putting of the big rugby games on PPV is not Setanta's doing but a decree from the IRB. Setanta probably does the best it can by putting it on tape delay as soon as the IRB will allow. I'm sure it will be the same with the Six Nations.
Actually, I don't think this was really explained in this thread. All that was really mentioned was this in post 343:
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Apparently it is the IRB who are responsible for the good matches being available only on PPV.
So you are saying that the IRB decreed "In North America there will be no Live Coverage of the RWC beyond Round 1 except on PPV" Why would they do that - was it solely PPV in other countries like the UK, France, Aus, New Zealand and South Africa? I don't think it was in Argentina which is where I watched the Final Match. Or were they forced to PPV due to exorbinant fees demanded by the IRB for North America. It would be interesting to find out exactly how much the IRB made from this in North America as I don't imagine there would have been tons of subscribers willinng to pay the fee.

So Robin100, can you please explain exactly how it is the IRB's doing that all RWC games past the first round were PPV? And why it is the IRB's fault some or all of the Six Nations will also be PPV?

And what is the relationship between the IRB and the Six Nations? I do not believe that IRB has much to do with the Six Nations as the IRB is the Global body whereas the Six Nations is purely a European Competition. I don't think the IRB would have any say over TV rights for this competition. It is kind of like Soccer - I don't think FIFA has anything to do with the Euro tournament as UEFA is the one that administers this tournament.

And the same thing with Tri-Nations - it is run by the SA, Aus and NZ Rugby Unions so the IRB shouldn't have any say.

By the way, if you look back through this thread you will see that I have generally been quite supportive of Setanta. It is great to see rugby on TV in Canada again and to a degree that we have never seen before. But I feel that I, as a rugby fan, am being taken advantage of when I am paying $15/month and then being deprived of big games. This is pretty much the most expensive English language channel on TV, it is much more expensive than the Movie Channel, so that is why I have high expectations for it. As I mentioned earlier I am not much of a soccer fan, if there was a Setanta rugby channel that I could subscribe to I would do so and not subscribe to soccer, so I am not paying for the soccer.
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Hi wayne,
Certainly the IRB and World Cup issue was referred to several times and is a 'given'. I took a bit of poetic licence when I used the term IRB in relation to the Six Nations but I'm sure the same principle will apply although needs to be confirmed. Based on previous years a number of the Six Nations are shown by pubs in Canada and you pay to see that so I don't see the powers that be changing to suddenly allow a free for all on TV.
Hope I'm wrong but........ I won't have a big problem so long as they are shown 24 hours later (I can avoid the result)as this is a vast improvement on what went before.
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post #458 of 1420 (permalink) Old 2008-01-07, 10:21 PM
 
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Six-nations is a private company and sells it's broadcast rights to companies around the world, just like any other sports entity. I don't think the IRB has much to do with it, if anything. Their big money-spinner is the world cup. And i don't imagine that IRB or Six-Nations have any say as to how the TV rights are used.

I believe Setanta has bought the North American rights to Six-Nations, just as they did with the World Cup, and, as exclusive rights holder, they will distribute them as they see fit. They obviously believe that die-hard fans will willingly fork over PPV fees to see the games live, while showing them on tape delay might encourage subscribers to Setanta canada.

These people are experts at bleeding every dollar they can out of this kind of situation. Unfortunately we're at their mercy so don't expect any favours.
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post #459 of 1420 (permalink) Old 2008-01-08, 10:17 AM
 
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Hi Boca,
I'm not sure on that. I remeber reading before the start of the Rugby World Cup (and it may have been an e-mail reply from Setanta) that for such transmissions to pubs, PPV on TV etc Setanta only was the carrier and that someone else was "laying down the law" and making the financial gain. Thinking back re-the World Cup was the PPV not on BEV's PPV channel - I did not take any games but if the pre and post game stuff was not our Irish friends then indeed maybe not Setanta.
Read earlier as well that Setanta has the England home games and FA Cup from next season.
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You may be right, but I still can't see where Six-Nations or the IRB would dictate how the games are distributed on TV once they have sold the rights. When the whole Setanta/TheScore/RSN fiasco was going down, i don't remember the EPL getting involved. The owners simply sell the rights for the different media distribution. The rights holder seems to have the authority to charge whatever they want and re-sell whatever they want. Hence we have 3 different sources for EPL games.

I also think we have to remember what we mean when we say "Setanta". Setanta North America appears to be the regional rights holder for the whole continent. they in turn, control Setanta Canada, so maybe that's what was meant by "someone else laying down the law".
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Read earlier as well that Setanta has the England home games and FA Cup from next season.
I think this is just in the UK where Setanta and ITV have partnered to buy the rights. I haven't seen anything about international rights. Anyone?
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I think this is just in the UK where Setanta and ITV have partnered to buy the rights. I haven't seen anything about international rights. Anyone?
From what I read on the Setanta website, they purchased the UK broadcasting rights(with ITV). No mention of North America. Doesn't mean it won't happen of course, and if it does, it could mean good-bye FSWC, at least from a soccer standpoint. I believe the FA Cup rights deal with Fox expires at the end of this season, so some changes may be coming.
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Well personally I think it's rather poor that it's the most expensive non-porn channel on TV currently, and they can't even provide us with the HD feed.

Waaay back when, the WC and Champion's league finals were being broadcast in HD. The EPL and La Liga were being broadcast in HD, everything was looking good for HD coverage down the line, so I bought HD equipment specifically for soccer coverage.

Then Setanta comes along, buys up all the EPL rights they can, charges us an arm and a leg for it and then doesn't bother with good quality service. Frankly, I'm tired of it and unless they can improve and provide us with a good PQ HD feed soon, I'll be cancelling my subscription. It's just not worth the premium.
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Im pretty bummed about the picture quality too. Sportsnet and the Score feeds were ALWAYS better IMO. Just a good standard def signal would be good, forget HD if that isnt in the means right now.

Sentanta often looks just as good as 1.4GB XVID files of matches that I download, which isnt that good!
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Im pretty bummed about the picture quality too. Sportsnet and the Score feeds were ALWAYS better IMO. Just a good standard def signal would be good, forget HD if that isnt in the means right now.

Sentanta often looks just as good as 1.4GB XVID files of matches that I download, which isnt that good!
Can't argue with that. But it's not only the PQ that's sub-standard, it's the amount of "technical difficulties" and picture loss that is hard to accept. Setanta's product is simply not up to expected standards.

But on a slightly unrelated subject. Does anyone know what, if anything, Setanta has planned to replace the live soccer games during the off-season? I'm certainly not paying 15 bucks a month to watch re-runs.
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