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post #16 of 22 (permalink) Old 2009-03-06, 09:24 AM
 
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THe biggest problem of the Panasonic, to me, is the additional layer of "protective" glass. It blurs the picture unless you're 100% smack dab in front of the screen.
I have 2 Panny Plasma's and I certainly dont see any blurriness at any angle. I haven't seen the Pioneers but for me the Panasonic displays are the best I've ever owned. I understand that its important to some people but having to get a bank loan for a TV is just crazy.
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post #17 of 22 (permalink) Old 2009-03-13, 02:12 PM
 
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I play Wii all the time. NO problem with both my PRO-1150 and PRO-111.

THe biggest problem of the Panasonic, to me, is the additional layer of "protective" glass. It blurs the picture unless you're 100% smack dab in front of the screen. I used to own the 50" 800U and I can't stand the bluriness so a couple of weeks later I bought the PRO-1150.
The PZ800 has a Anti-reflective screen shield which is a thin coating that has been applied to the surface of the glass. It's only noticeable when the TV is off. In fact, when you're sitting 8 or more feet away there's no way you'd be able to notice the Anti-reflective coating because mine has a few scratches in it (thanks to my cat loving the TV so much) and you've got to be within 3 feet to see them.

The thing that amazed me with the Panny is just how clear the picture was viewing from a wide angle.

Like 57 said, "Provided you don't put the two side-by-side, the 58" Panny is very nice".

And cnet review states: "Yes, again Pioneer's Elite plasmas delivered better performance overall than this (58PZ800), Panasonic's best plasma for 2008, but for all but the most ardent videophiles the extra price to go Elite won't be worth it".

Go with the Panny and put the money you'll save towards a kickass 7.1 surround sound system. The picture is only 1/2 of the package!
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whether something is worth the price (or otherwise) is really depend on your visual acuity, your budget and you persoinal caring (or not).

For example, my dad can clearly see the difference between 9G and 8G Pio and 800u in my house although they are not in the same room. His choice for his house AFTER seeing all that? Sony XBR5! Why? Although he can see the difference, he doesn't care about picture quality so making paying for anything beyond the XBR price (close-out pricing at the time, making it cheaper than 800u) is not worth the money.

Me? it's a different story. The differences are too big for my level of acceptability yet I don't have the money to buy another Pioneer plasma, so I sold my 800u and have the 3rd room only using my old 20" Toshiba CRT TV.

Beyond all that, regardless how "clear" a protective glass is, refraction will always be there. It's just simple physics. The further away the protective glass from the light source (ie, the plasma screen itself), the blurrier/hazier the resulting image will get.
I encounter this during my time consulting for commercial theatres and currently in my photography. Even when the manufacturer claim the material to have "zero" effect.
Tu push things further, take a picture with and without lens filter (even if your lens filter is a B+W filter costing close to $200 for a 82mm diameter) You WILL see the difference.
I'm pretty sure that Panasonic does NOT use a $200-grade for 82mm of diameter for their 50" TVs.

Regardless, I do admit and strongly agree that the Pana 800U is a kick butt TV for the money and suitable for most of the population. Just not the best and there many people like me looking and won't settle for less than the best either because of visual acuity or sometimes just because of snobbery.


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post #19 of 22 (permalink) Old 2009-05-20, 02:07 AM
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If I saw the PZ800 in isolation, I would be perfect happy with its picture.

However, I had the opportunity to see the 111 and the 800 side by side in a darkened showroom (Pure mode on the 111, THX mode on the 800) and there was NO COMPARISON WHATSOEVER.

The Kuro demolishes the PZ800 in blacks, shadow detail, pop, clarity, colour saturation, and it does not take a videophile to appreciate the difference. Even my girlfriend said that looking at the Panny after the Kuro was like watching through a foggy haze.
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That explains the price diff right? I own a PRO-141, and I still grin each time I turn it on to watch something! Susilo & myself think alike...hard to settle for second best when you've seen THE best right? It is a matter of budget. Personally, I ran out of coin by the time I bought my BD...so I grabbed a Sony S350...couldn't stretch for the Elite BD-05. Besdies, I'm not convinced that the gap between the Pio/Panasonic panel(s) is the same between BD players.

I imagine it won't take more than 2 generations for whomever to manufacture/release a panel that's superior to an Elite (in whatever technology LED/LCD, Plaz, OLED) but for now, they truly are somethin to behold...best of the best. That's the sad part about Pio exiting the TV biz...Imagine their panels in 5 years time???
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As I have posted elsewhere Picture Quality is the primary reason I chose the 111. After all that's what its all about right?
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post #22 of 22 (permalink) Old 2009-05-22, 01:22 PM
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Agreed.

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