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post #1 of 34 (permalink) Old 2008-01-09, 03:17 PM Thread Starter
 
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'Tru2way' TV Discussion

"Tru2way-ready Viera HDTV

Panasonic announced today that selected models of Viera HDTV will include tru2way technology and are expected to be available at retail later this year. This capability is an added feature to these Panasonicís Viera HDTVís that simplifies and improves the total television experience of digital cable television subscribers. In those markets served by Comcast and other cable providers that have upgraded their networks to support tru2way technology, these revolutionary Viera Plasma High Definition televisions are able to access the full range of interactive digital cable video services, including video on demand and interactive program guides without a set-top-box. Panasonic Viera HDTV with tru2way technology provides multiple consumer benefits including less wiring, less unsightly component clutter and simpler operation with a single remote control."



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http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/0...up-just-a-bit/

"Tru2Way is based on an operating system called OpenCable Application Platform that can run programs, downloaded by the cable operator, that can enable all sorts of functions, including video on demand, program guides and various sorts of interactive content.

Many observers have felt the cable industry has dragged its feet on this initiative because it could lose control of whatever advantage it has from full control of the consumer experience. But CableLabs said that cable systems that serve the vast majority of households in the United States will deploy the technology."
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Finally. I hope this means that CableCard (if that's what this is) can finally reach its true potential. STB's suck!
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Unfortunately, there will be many HDTVs without this service. It is too bad this didn't come out 3 years ago.
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This two-way version of cablecard needed to be in place years ago. I can't imagine any Canadian cable company "buying into" this technology. Much of their profit is made from rental or sale of STB's. You buy the latest version of a TV with all of its features controlled by an elaborate remote control only to have it negated by the STB's requirement of having to use it's remote. Replacing all of your remotes (DVD, VCR, CD, receiver, etc) with one unit such as a Harmony 880 is reaching the outer limits of those out there who are not so tech savvy as those who frequent this site. I am not reducing those people to neanderthals or luddites ... not everyone has 12-year-old grandchildren to show them how it all comes together with one easy click. Or do I have it all wrong? Again.
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This two-way version of cablecard needed to be in place years ago. I can't imagine any Canadian cable company "buying into" this technology. Much of their profit is made from rental or sale of STB's.
I have said this in many threads - I don't think cable cos make that much profit from boxes. Some of the are even loss leaders to facilitate customers buying more content such as digital channels, PPV and VOD. Rogers occasionally sells their SD cable boxes for $100 less a programming credit of $100. How do they make a profit in that? The HD boxes still do seem very expensive at about $300 for non-PVR and $600 for PVR but we are not sure how much they are paying SA for these units.

But I would love it if Canadian cable cos adopted this technology although that has become less important this week with the announcement of HD capture cards for HTPCs.
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Im thinking the STB's are like cel phones, sold at loss leader or cost pricing. And if you rent, they are holding onto the cost for some time also.
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I am not sure if Tru2Way is just a renaming of OCAP (which requires host support anyways), or a technology that including providing full two way functionality, also replaces "external" cablecards with an embedded universals security technology.

Whatever the name, it requires TV and STB manufacturers to give a somewhat large degree of control of the TV viewing expierence to the cable providers whims.
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Sony commits to 'Tru2way' TV

Sony Corp has signed an agreement with the top U.S. cable companies that leads the way for televisions that can receive digital signals without need for a television set-top box, the National Cable & Telecommunications Association said on Tuesday.

The beginning of the end for STB's???

Maybe the first step to a technology that will allow PC's to see digital cable???

One can wish....

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  • I already paid $300 extra for a RPTV that was cablecard enabled and got nothing from it.
  • All the flat panel sets sold don't have this
  • Pretty much every flat panel sold this year and next won't have it.

This would have been glorious five years ago before a tens of millions of HDTV's had been sold but now I think its too little too late.
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I still think that a CableCard type of device would be great but I wonder if we will ever see the cards in Canada and if it will be so locked down with DRM that it will be almost useless - not unlike the CableCard Vista PCs currently available in the US. But with the complexity of HT setups and the prevalence of receivers these days you would more likely want the tuning card in your receiver than in your TV.
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The following is a very good article and commentary for those that are interested.
Can Tru2way succeed where CableCard failed?
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Does anyone know the level of involvement, if any, by the Canadian cable companies? Or are they just going to pretend that it doesn't exist, just like CableCard 1.0?
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The difference this time around is that the major cablecos in the US are on board and the feature gap (VOD, PPV) has been closed.

I think this is a great idea whose time has finally arrived.

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The difference this time around is that the major cablecos in the US are on board and the feature gap (VOD, PPV) has been closed.

I think this is a great idea whose time has finally arrived.
I agree that it is a great idea but I am much more interested in Canadian cablecos than US - if the Canadian cablecos are not onside then it is irrelevant for Canadians.
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No announcements by: major CE companies, most other Cable companies around the world. I think you can assume that Canadian companies have little interest at this point. I hope they continue to ignore it.

I hope they save their money and to sit it out until its ubiquitous on U.S. cable systems and almost all televisions have it before they consider it.
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